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    Default Offside lines at scrum

    Quick question for you all...

    20.12 (g) states that "Players who are not in the scrum and who are not the team’s scrum half, are offside if they remain in front of their offside line or overstep the offside line which is a line parallel to the goal lines and 5 metres behind the hindmost player of each team in a scrum."

    Are the "5m behind the back foot" offside lines fixed at the start of the engagement, or do they move as the scrum advances/retreats?

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    The offside lines move with the scrum, until the scrum ends.

    Welcome to the forum by the way. Stick around, there are people on here who have forgotten more than I will know.
    Last edited by Taff; 04-12-17 at 20:12.

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    The offside lines move with the scrum, until the scrum ends.
    Thank you - that is the answer I expected.

    I often see attacking backs track the forward progress of a winning scrum, however I rarely see the defence retreat accordingly.

    So what we're saying is ...

    Scrum is driven 4m and stops with the ball playable at rear. "Use it". The ball travels #9->#10 who is duly flattened by his opposite number who didn't retreat with scrum. <PING>

    Pete

    BTW, I've been reading this forum for years - thought it was about time I got involved.

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    Pete, just remember that at a 5m scrum the defenders will be on the goal line and do not have to retreat further.

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteTheMeat View Post
    ... I often see attacking backs track the forward progress of a winning scrum, however I rarely see the defence retreat accordingly.
    The team in retreat will try pinching space by standing still - it's not as obvious as moving forward, but effectively that's what they're doing.

    As Pinks says though, they can't be pushed back further than the goal line.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteTheMeat View Post
    .... So what we're saying is ... Scrum is driven 4m and stops with the ball playable at rear. "Use it". The ball travels #9->#10 who is duly flattened by his opposite number who didn't retreat with scrum. <PING>
    Yes, he's offside an it's material. Don't forget though the mark is on the offenders offside line, not where he tackled the No 10. There could be quite a few metres between the two.
    Last edited by Taff; 05-12-17 at 00:12.

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    why do they call you Pete the Meat? Are you a butcher?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    why do they call you Pete the Meat? Are you a butcher?
    Please say 'yes', to avoid Dickie's gallery of photographs.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    please say 'yes', to avoid dickie's gallery of photographs.
    10917350_gal.jpg

    msfmsf
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a network engineer by trade. The name was first uttered by a drunken colleague whilst in the Slug & Lettuce in Islington about 10 years ago, and it stuck.

    Nowadays I get called PTM for short.

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    Default Re: Offside lines at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteTheMeat View Post
    The name was first uttered by a drunken colleague whilst in the Slug & Lettuce in Islingtone
    not known for being a popular hangout for North Midlands Refs

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