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    Default Ball against the head offside -- how to prevent

    Hi

    I seem to be encountering a problem whenever the ball is lost against the head in the scrum. Namely the formerly attacking backs rush up to the hind most foot of the scrum ignoring the call from me to stay 5. Ball comes out, immediate penalty advantage as the space has been completely closed down.

    What I'm interested in is how others deal with this to prevent the penalty/advantage needing to be given, they seem to ignore the call of hold as soon as the ball is lost.

    Thoughts

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    Yes, this happens in my games as well .. don't know why !
    I do the same you .. tell them to get back but often they don't . I think all you can do is PK

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    A good question peperami.

    Remember that it is the responsibility of the #10 to ensure that the 3/4s do not encroach too soon. If you are telling them to retreat and they do not then you have to escalate the sanction.

    I would suggest that at the second instance of this happening you call "Time off" and call over both the captain and the #10. Explain to the Captain what the #10 is doing wrong. Hopefully this will deal with it.

    If not then next time it happens - by all means play the Penalty Advantage - you YC the #10.

    Bet it won't happen again - even when he comes back on because he will know that the next card shown to him will be a red

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    I often include this in my PMB - "Guys, 10m - at least - from the lineouts; 5m - at least - from the scrums, even on your own ball. And if you lose it against the head then don't come up over the 5m line.".
    If it happens (and I am seeing fewer going against the head this season) then they cannot claim to be surprised if I ping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post

    Remember that it is the responsibility of the #10 to ensure that the 3/4s do not encroach too soon.
    No its not. Each player is responsible for their own action


    If not then next time it happens - by all means play the Penalty Advantage - you YC the #10.
    You YC the player/s who are guilty of the offence irrespective of the number on their back or what position they are playing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    msf..
    Spot on. It is not the fault of the 10 specifically.

    It is really fairly simple. Hand up to keep BOTH sides back on or behind the 5. If they come up ping them and deal with warnings cards ertc as required by the situation and game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    If not then next time it happens - by all means play the Penalty Advantage - you YC the #10.

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    Really?


    What if the #10 is telling them to hold but the centres don;t listen?

    What if its the #15 at first out for defensive lineups? What if the #15 is saying hold but the centres don't listen?

    Why not actually card the player you first see advance to < 5m? Rather than second guess what is happening?

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    Default Re: Ball against the head offside -- how to prevent

    Happens for me quite regularly, too.

    If it first happens early on, I'll usually not play advantage (though that depends on field position).

    I'll immediately shout "stay 5!" then blow up as soon as the ball's out, shouting that they need to stay 5m behind the 8's feet.

    I find this gets the point across more than playing advantage. Play advantage and you either don't give a penalty at all, or it's so much later that the message doesn't get through properly.

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    At most PMBs I hear, the referee asks the #10 to take responsibility for keeping his backs onside so that the ref doesn't have to do so.

    (Obviously you can only penalise the player who is actually offside, not the #10.)
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    I agree, blowing for infringements early in the game probably means you blow fewer times later on; another form of management.
    QUESTION: is it better to be perceived as 'cruel and heartless' early in the game or 'inconsistent' later on when you get fed up of trying to 'manage' the game ??
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