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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    there's also that business about who gets the scrum feed from a kick that leads to an unsuccessful maul. Kick offs, penalties, etc all lumped in together under "open play" definition.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    there's also that business about who gets the scrum feed from a kick that leads to an unsuccessful maul. Kick offs, penalties, etc all lumped in together under "open play" definition.
    Yes , good call, but I need to re read that. I think perhaos it's not so much a change , as something that in the old Laws was clear, but in the new Laws is ambiguous (?) .

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    I've not looked at any of the threads on simplified law book as I've heard nothing official from my society
    10.4 one man cavalry charge. Technically was illegal now not.
    22.7.b knock on into goal. This leaves the way open for attacking team have put the ball into in goal so defence touch it down 22 drop out
    22.7 (b)
    If an attacking player knocks-on or throws-forward in the field of play and the ball goes into the opponents’ in-goal and it is made dead there, a scrum is awarded where the knock-on or throw forward happened.

    We have argued all round this before.

    If a referee awarded a 22 drop out, I would mark it as a law error, and expect to be supported by my society.
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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    OB.. yes , but in 2018 when that part of the Law has disappeared from the Law Book , would you still mark it as a definite Law error.. or is there room for doubt next year
    Last edited by crossref; 25-12-17 at 00:12.

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    OB.... is correct. Also 12.1c
    The 2018 version does include it. Very simply P90. Under scrum section.

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    OB.... is correct. Also 12.1c
    The 2018 version does include it. Very simply P90. Under scrum section.
    Can you expand on that ?

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Can you expand on that ?
    Not entirely sure what you want me to expand on so apologies if I have got it wrong.

    The top of the chart on p90 - 2018 simplified version- indicates where a scrum is awarded when there is a knock on.

    Law 22.7b is a repeat of Law 12.1c in 2017 version.

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    A small change in wording that could have a significant impact long term.

    2017 Laws
    20.6 (d) The scrum half must throw in the ball straight along the middle line , so that it first touches the ground immediately beyond the width of the nearer prop’s shoulders.


    2018 Laws
    LAW 19 Scrum Throw-in
    16. The scrum-half throws in the ball:


    g. So that it first touches the ground inside the tunnel.
    Sanction: Free-kick.


    Couple this change with the 'off-set' scrum half position and the ball could be dropped directly under the prop's foot making it even more difficult for a fair contest.\

    Now, with the prop striking the ball will travel diagonally to the right foot of the #8. Ideal positioning of the ball. However, with the prop striking we'll need to bulk up the hooker to support the prop against his opposite number.

    Note that I didn't say loose head prop. I'm betting that we'll see some tight head feeds in certain circumstances.
    Last edited by ChrisR; 25-12-17 at 12:12.

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Not entirely sure what you want me to expand on so apologies if I have got it wrong.

    The top of the chart on p90 - 2018 simplified version- indicates where a scrum is awarded when there is a knock on.

    Law 22.7b is a repeat of Law 12.1c in 2017 version.
    Yes. Hmm
    What's still clearly the same is the indication of where the scrum takes place.

    What's changed - or missing - is the instruction NOT to give a dropout when the ball is knocked on over the goal line and then touched down.

    Is that an important Law , does that make a difference ? It's certainly a Law that is often cited here , and also a Law that covers a pretty common circumstance .

    For me , if there is knock on over the goal line into the in goal and touched down, then to justify a decision of scrum (rather than a 22m) you would need the 2017 Law Book

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    I get your point but that's only because some want to take the point of advantage beyond its intent.

    You simply cannot make the ball dead and expect to gain a better advantage. Either play on to try and get an advantage or take the scrum. You cant have it both ways.

    Hmm..maybe it's not this law that needs including to spell it out..perhaps add something to the advantage law??

    Then again... i have no issue with it and couldn't see how a 22 drop out was justified.
    Last edited by menace; 25-12-17 at 13:12.
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