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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Oh dear me.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-r...b_4646420.html

    at least read 3rd paragraph

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    8.12 & 13

    These are seemingly new, and not on the Google doc.

    So, if the ball touched down 1 M from touch and is blown off the tee and rolls all the way to the center, you can kick it and still get your 2 points, but if the wind is blowing the other direction and the ball rolls in to touch, then you cannot get your 2 points. Time restraints and opponents charging notwithstanding. What does this add to the game?

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    Default PK/FK 5m from goal line (Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    Hi,

    Should PK/FK by a defending team (infringement by an attacking team) be marked at 5m from the goal line?

    I believe it was at the placement of infringement till WR Laws 2017 contrarily to PK/FK by an attacking team (5m from the goal line). The WR Laws 2018/2019 do not distinguish between attacking and defending teams.

    It was hard for me to search in this forum as relevant words are too general but, at least, it seems not mentioned in the summary table (very convenient, thanks to crossref):

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    WR Laws 2016/2017 21.2(a)
    .. If the place for a penalty or free kick is within 5 metres of the goal line, the mark for the kick is 5 metres from the goal line, opposite the place of infringement.
    WR Laws 2018/2019 20.1
    The mark for a penalty or free-kick must be in the field of play and be no closer than five metres from the goal line, as per the following table:
    ..
    Any infringement in in-goal or within five metres of a goal line.
    In the field of play, five metres from the goal line, in line with the place of infringement.

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    Hi mich,
    First post. Well done for leaving the shadows.

    Shouldn’t you be out enjoying the RWC?

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    Default Re: PK/FK 5m from goal line (Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mich View Post
    Should PK/FK by a defending team (infringement by an attacking team) be marked at 5m from the goal line?

    I believe it was at the placement of infringement till WR Laws 2017 contrarily to PK/FK by an attacking team (5m from the goal line). The WR Laws 2018/2019 do not distinguish between attacking and defending teams.
    I don't follow. Looking at 21.2 in e.g.
    http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/...ws_2016_EN.pdf
    I don't see any difference between attacking/defending teams. Is it the word "opposite"?

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    It used to be the case that a penalty awarded to a defender was at the point of infringement, but the attackers were always on the 5m line, but this was changed some years ago (before the major changes to the law book) to make it always on the 5m line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Shouldn’t you be out enjoying the RWC?
    Cheers. It actually opens tomorrow as Japan-Russia at Tokyo Stadium (just 20km from Yokohama Nissan Stadium).
    https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/match/japan-russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    I don't follow. Looking at 21.2 in e.g.
    http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/...ws_2016_EN.pdf
    I don't see any difference between attacking/defending teams. Is it the word "opposite"?
    Oh. The "opposite" phrase may just mean "in line with"? In that case, the defending team exception of "5m from goal line" had already not been ruled by that time. However, as Pinky said, it seems to used to be the case sometime before. Unfortunately, I have no access to older laws.

    Anyway, Japanese mini ruling borrowed it from the senior laws probably a long time ago, which should be changed to follow the modern laws - simply, always keep 5m gap from goal lines for PK/FK/Scrum/Lineout.

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    Default Re: Where the 2018 Law Book is actually different from 2017

    The change was made in the 2016 book:



    2015

    21.1 Unless a Law states otherwise, the mark for a penalty or free kick is at the place of infringement.
    21.2 WHERE PENALTY AND FREE KICKS ARE TAKEN
    21.2 (a) The kicker must take the penalty or free kick at the mark or anywhere behind it on a line through the mark. If the place for a penalty or free kick is within 5 metres of the opponents’ goal line, the mark for the kick is 5 metres from the goal line, opposite the place of infringement.



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    2016
    2.2 WHERE PENALTY AND FREE KICKS ARE TAKEN
    21.1 WHERE PENALTY AND FREE KICKS ARE AWARDED
    21.1 Unless a Law states otherwise, the mark for a penalty or free kick is at the place of
    infringement.
    21.2 WHERE PENALTY AND FREE KICKS ARE TAKEN
    21.2 (a) The kicker must take the penalty or free kick at the mark or anywhere behind it on a line through the mark. If the place for a penalty or free kick is within 5 metres of the goal line, the mark for the kick is 5 metres from the goal line, opposite the place of infringement.

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