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    Fair account of today's game .
    He is spot on also with french tv directors .

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    Would the Southern Hemisphere ‘my decision on the pitch’ trial with the TMO go a long way to dealing with some of this (I’ve not seen enough games to know if it works in practice)

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    The Law exists to deal with players acting in manner to heighten a sanction and I don't recall this ever being used at the showbiz levels, despite the 'video arbitrage' clearly showing this to be the case.

    Agree with Austin on the basic tenet of his piece, and agree that more should be done by coaches and administrators to stop the creep
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    His content is spot on. However, the ace moaner and cheat bemoaning cheats is just sticking in my craw. Ever so slightly.

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    Allowing certain laws to be disregarded in the professional game undermines the integrity and authority of referees throughout the game. I refer particularly to players going to ground at the breakdown and feeding at the scrum.
    There has been a lot of discussion on this forum in this regard and the common retort is that it alows the game to flow to the benefit of the excitement of the game. However, we need to beware of unintended consequences. I think that the behaviour referred to by Austin Healey are in some part the result of referees Turing a blind eye ( or totally disregarding) certain laws. This also makes refereeing at lower levels and youth matches much more difficult. Consistency throughout the game?
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    It is also the fault of players like Healy. Refs can neither blow nor ignore unless the players brake the laws. Healy tried to wind up players as a norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Would the Southern Hemisphere ‘my decision on the pitch’ trial with the TMO go a long way to dealing with some of this (I’ve not seen enough games to know if it works in practice)
    It works near-perfectly.

    Its very similar to the philosophy of the NFL system, that the television replay has to show conclusive evidence that the on-field decision is incorrect before that decision can be overturned. If its inconclusive, if there is doubt, or if no angle can see the incident, or no conclusions can be drawn at all, the on field decision stands.

    As for AH's summary, its pretty much spot on except for this bit, which I strongly object to...

    "The TMO has his feet up with tea and biscuits listening to the feed in his truck when all of a sudden the crowd are going crazy about something."
    ... this is as rude and insulting as it is ioncorrect, and shows that Healey really has no idea what goes on in the TMO box or how it works.

    1. TMO Box (or at least those I have been in) is pretty much soundproof.

    2. The TMO does not get an audio feed from the commentator or any of the general crowd noise microphones around the ground. He only gets the referee and the ARs with whom he has two-way communication.

    3. While the program director might supply the feed for general replays on the in-ground big screen, the TMO has direct access to the raw video feeds from the cameras on the ground (bypassing the TV director altogether). He does not rely on the TV director for replays, he has a video assistant (with his own replay equipment) right there with him in the TMO Box. The video assistant can give him all the feed he needs. (When you sometimes hear or see that certain angles might not be available, this is usually because that particular camera may have either been switching views, or might not have been watching the action near the ball.


    On the left, SA referee Shaun Veldsman, the TMO, and on his right, his video assistant.

    4. When the big screen is showing what the TMO is looking at, that feed is coming from the TMO Box... the video assistant is controlling that, not the program director (when this is happening, you see the little TMO graphic in one corner of the screen)

    5. The TMO is never "feet up with tea and biscuits". He is watching the game (usually from the wide-angle camera on half way) looking for foul play off the ball, and listening to the referee in case there are any requests to review something on the run.
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    in france ,, we have been told by official tmo persons .
    That this is not the case .
    And it is the director who either allows or doesn't allow access to footage .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    in france ,, we have been told by official tmo persons .
    That this is not the case .
    And it is the director who either allows or doesn't allow access to footage .
    Then its time French rugby caught up with the rest of the world
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