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    Default Re: Cheating is endemic , and depowering of refs

    I also know of people who have acted as TMO who have been "controlled" by the TV company. Ian's system should be universal.

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    Default Re: Cheating is endemic , and depowering of refs

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    Then its time French rugby caught up with the rest of the world
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    Paging Mr Lewis...
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    Default Re: Cheating is endemic , and depowering of refs

    You yelled m'lud!

    Not going to get into the tea and buscuits argument, as what Mr H writes is for him. If only we could operate by only listening to the crowd - be far less taxing!


    There are diff operations in diff countries so some of what I read earlier doesnt stack up for me in the Aviva Prem. We sit in the truck (with commentary on) and can view whatever we can see on the myriad screens on show (pic earlier is pretty accurate altough underplays it on most occaisions). When there is a referral, the audio feed to the truck is cut so they can't influence anything in that time.

    But when it comes to replays, we are shown what the directors put on those screens, not independently as some suggest. Massive cost implications there to have a seocnd standalone director set of feeds, just for TMO - in the Shaun V pic, that looks like an International and may even have been the Hawkeye system which was seperate in RWC 2015.

    We have pretty good relations with the broadcasters here in England so I'm confident of the integrity issue. - i can imagine the uproar if we had bias producers in the Prem trucks - it'd never be allowed to happen.

    Havent enough experience to comment on our gaelic chums - done a few games in France with no issue.
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    TMO’s in France are referees like any other ref. The role of TMO is much more stressful than being the man in the middle according to this FFR video clip. Perhaps because much of the context of the match is off screen, (ie not filmed by any of the available camera angles) so when they are asked to decide on what is clear and obvious, it is more often than not a thankless task.
    http://dai.ly/xn0qm0
    Ian’s suggestion that French rugby is somehow lagging behind other nations, in this respect, is way off the mark.

    How many other Unions have appointed two doctors to look after their Elite referees?
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    Default Re: Cheating is endemic , and depowering of refs

    I'm not sure how having two doctors is any way relevant to being behind in the use of TMO?
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    It’s a simple enough question, Simon.
    For the moment all we have is Austin Healey’s jaundiced reporting slamming French TV directors. (Presumably, because they would let him join the apéro at those European matches.) There is little to suggest that TMO’s in France operate any differently from other Unions.

    The point of my question, is that I personally feel the FFR are ahead of the game on most things; why would they not be on the TMO front. I take it the USA don’t provide a specific health program for their Elite refs.
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    You're trying to compare a bad Tier 2 nation to a top Tier 1? Why, exactly? You're very fond of making comparisons that don't make sense.

    France may very well provide great healthcare to its referees. That has zero to do with TMO protocols which is what the conversation is about. You're shifting the goalposts
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    Default Re: Cheating is endemic , and depowering of refs

    Austin’s healeys comments were aimed at French TV directors not French TMOs. Will take a look at the clip though.
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