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    Default Re: From ARU online referee course

    What were the other statements? The OP says which of the following statementS.... etc.

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    Default Re: From ARU online referee course

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    What were the other statements? The OP says which of the following statementS.... etc.
    multiple choice with 4 options. I can no longer access as I have completed the test. Sorry.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So in the unlikely event of this really happening on the pitch, what would you actually give ?
    The side failing to use the ball does not get the reward of the scrum. Common sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    The side failing to use the ball does not get the reward of the scrum. Common sense!
    that's what I would give, but I thought the ARU were saying the opposite.

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    The question was "which statement is wrong?"






    So saying that the team taking tbe ball in loses ir in this case is WRONG. That is the statement titled "correct Answer" is correct because it is wrong.

    Rugby is in good hands with WR and some of our Unions!

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    That's one thing to agree about: The question sucks!

    The reason that I posted the commentary below was not to be a smartass but to illustrate the ambiguities that can quickly arise in this kind of scenario that makes the refs decision difficult.

    The referee is responding to his assessor who has questioned why he awarded the scrum to a particular side and is writing his report.

    Well, Mr. Reportwriter Sir, the ball was caught by Red from a Blue kick in open play (was that kick from a PK open play or a restart?) , the catcher took two steps (was that immediate or not?) before Blue wrapped him up and drove him backwards (Blue definitely going forward) as Red support joined (now we have a maul). At some point the ball was stripped from Red (did that happen before or after the maul formed?) but Red was driving forward (are Red now the side going forward?) when the whole mess collapsed (was that intentional?) . Blue placed the ball on the ground (does that make it a successful end to the maul?) and it was immediately available to the Blue SH.

    I called "Use it!" but he was too busy picking his nose so after 5 secs I said (to myself) "**** this, if you don't want it you don't get it" and awarded a scrum to Red.

    Now this last part would never happen (well, about as frequently than a zombie apocalypse) but it's the only non-ambiguous part of the whole event so that's what I'd call.

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    So , I am still confused.

    who does the ARU think should get the scrum --
    - Team A (because B failed to use it) or
    - Team B (because Team A had possession when the maul started)

    I'd give the scrum to Team A, as would pegleg and Dickie E
    I can see Ian and Balones would give it to B

    Both sides have claimed that the ARU agrees with them!

    What a rubbishly worded question !

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    I sense there is a strong concensus with your last sentence crossref.

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    As Pegleg points out in #10 the team failing to use the ball loses th ball. That is what the law says. It is not an issue of what seems right but a fact of law.
    Keep smiling!

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    Default Re: From ARU online referee course

    I have just downloaded the 2018 law book which states:

    LAW 16
    15. When a maul has stopped moving towards a goal line, it may restart moving towards a goal line providing it does so within five seconds. If it stops a second time but the ball is being moved and the referee can see it, the referee instructs the team to use the ball. The team in possession must then use the ball in a reasonable time. Sanction: Scrum.

    So no change there.
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