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    Default Preventing tackled player from releasing the ball/tackled player not releasing

    Hello all!

    Perhaps this is a slightly rookie question, but anyway...

    In the situation where the tackler does this, obviously this is tackler not releasing, but I have had a few other situations where this has happened: the player first arriving at the ruck (i.e. forming the ruck) goes to collect the ball and makes it seem as though the player on the ground is not releasing by binding on to him. What is the correct call and signal in this situation?

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    Hi shnip
    If im reading correctly .
    Tackle occurs & tackled player lays ball on floor in front of him self , waiting for his team mate to come & get ball ( or form ruck if he chooses )

    Are you saying opposition to tackled player gets there 1st ( as in tacklers team mate ) comes to tackle area .
    Crouches over tackled player as in to poach ball , but instead , decides to help guy on floor keep his own ball ,,and trying to milk a penalty for not releasing .

    If so , i would play on .
    And fairly soon im sure he would be cleaned out by a team mate of tackled player .

    If same person says stuff like ref , ref he is not releasing .
    I would advise he plays the ball & not the player .
    As the tackled player by law , must be able to place ball .

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    "Never on the ball...play on"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    "Never on the ball...play on"
    If it becomes a trend or prevents a contest somehow you could do him for 14.8.a (18)

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    The offence here is (c)

    7. A player must not:
    a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.
    b. Intentionally knock, place, push or throw the ball with arm or hand from the
    playing area.
    c. Do anything that may lead the match officials to consider that an opponent has
    committed an infringement.


    First time you see this you might want to play on, with a loud shout to make sure the players know you have spotted it, but you shouldn't ignore it.
    Or you might well PK it straight away

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    Agree as long as you are sure it is the arriving player who is at fault. As soon as there is an arriving player we have been told to ask whether anyone is doing something illegal to stop him getting the ball. That would in my view include the tackled player placing the ball out of the arriving players reach. As soon as there is someone on their feet trying legally to play the ball, they have all the rights and other players lose them.

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    Have a word at the next appropriate interval - be scrum or line out.

    As Phil E has alluded, this call usually explains your reasoning in real time. You may also want to use the "He couldn't realise because you were holding him in". In my experience early verbal identification of - let us call it - less than fair play by the attacking team (or the defending team) prevents tempers fraying and should nip it in the bud.

    Deal with the 'cheating' early and you should have a trouble free game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    Hi shnip
    If im reading correctly .
    Tackle occurs & tackled player lays ball on floor in front of him self , waiting for his team mate to come & get ball ( or form ruck if he chooses )

    Are you saying opposition to tackled player gets there 1st ( as in tacklers team mate ) comes to tackle area .
    Crouches over tackled player as in to poach ball , but instead , decides to help guy on floor keep his own ball ,,and trying to milk a penalty for not releasing .

    If so , i would play on .
    And fairly soon im sure he would be cleaned out by a team mate of tackled player .

    If same person says stuff like ref , ref he is not releasing .
    I would advise he plays the ball & not the player .
    As the tackled player by law , must be able to place ball .
    Exactly right, thanks for this. Confirms my suspicions, but just dead annoying when players pull this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    I would advise he plays the ball & not the player .
    As the tackled player by law , must be able to place ball .
    The tackled player is indeed allowed to place/pass the ball, but only if there is time to do so unhindered. The opponent is entitled to go for the ball and the tackled player must then release it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    The tackled player is indeed allowed to place/pass the ball, but only if there is time to do so unhindered. The opponent is entitled to go for the ball and the tackled player must then release it.
    Yes that's C&O, but I was talking more about the situation where the arriving player was simulating not releasing to win a PK.

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