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    Default Knock On advantage.. and kick

    We have discussed this scenario before, inconclusively, but not for a while and I am interested to see what is the current consensus , and if it has changed at all
    Perhaps there is even a ”correct” answer ?

    In the middle of the pitch blue knock on.

    Red gain possession and ref signals adv

    under no particular pressure, and from behind the place of the knock on red freely kick the ball some distance directly into touch (ie no gain in ground)

    Which is your decision?
    A No advantage gained. Scrum Red
    B Advantage Over when they kick it. Not my fault the kick turned out terrible. Line out blue

    (For me it is A)

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    A....
    And a crack on the head is what you get for asking... - Morrissey & Marr 1985

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    B
    It is standard to declare scrum advantage over if a kick is made (not under pressure) without waiting to see if it was a good one or not. If the player mistakenly kicks the ball out for no gain, he might well have done the same after a scrum. He has freely used his tactical option - the law does not require him to do so successfully.

    If you wait to see the outcome, what do you do if the opponents catch the ball and run it back? Do you wait further to see if there is a nett gain?

    (It is different for a penalty advantage.)
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    B I think, certainly is expected, if a good clean kick under no pressure, i’d certainly give the kick some air before calling adv over just in case though

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    B. If there is no pressure on the kicker for a scrum advantage I would expect the ref to call advantage over as soon as the ball has been kicked. For a penalty advantage I would expect the ref to see the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    B I think, certainly is expected, if a good clean kick under no pressure, i’d certainly give the kick some air before calling adv over just in case though
    So A then ?

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    If the kick was clearly going to land in FoP then B.

    If kick was clearly going to land in touch (eg slices the kick badly) then probably A.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    A....
    Advantage:

    Must be clear and real. A mere opportunity to gain an advantage is not sufficient.


    Was my thinking.
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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    A for me. Easy to sell that decision as 'No advantage gained there . We ll come back for the scrum'

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    A for me. Easy to sell that decision as 'No advantage gained there . We ll come back for the scrum'
    So as soon as ball left boot would you blow for scrum or would you wait until the ball alighted to see what happens?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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