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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    The OP is a kick that goes accidental into touch

    The opposite scenario is

    Black attacking knock on about 10m from white goal line
    White gather ball, ref signals advantage
    Under no special pressure white kick for touch
    But the kick is very badly sliced and goes directly into arms of black 11 who falls over the line for a try.

    A no adv, scrum white
    B You called advantage when they kicked , try black

    I don't suppose anyone will give a different answer

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    The OP is a kick that goes accidental into touch

    The opposite scenario is

    Black attacking knock on about 10m from white goal line
    White gather ball, ref signals advantage
    Under no special pressure white kick for touch
    But the kick is very badly sliced and goes directly into arms of black 11 who falls over the line for a try.

    A no adv, scrum white
    B You called advantage when they kicked , try black

    I don't suppose anyone will give a different answer

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    a diufferent answer to what?

    empathetically its A of course.

    but under the concepts and protocols that are in place (see OBs posts above) its C&O actually B. Them's the rubs.

    And I raised that scenario in #15. Just sayin'.



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    a diufferent answer to what?

    empathetically its A of course.

    but under the concepts and protocols that are in place (see OBs posts above) its C&O actually B. Them's the rubs.

    And I raised that scenario in #15. Just sayin'.



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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    I'd say B.

    I've always learnt that he difference between kicking under a penalty- and a scrum advantage is whether you wait to see what happens when it lands.

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The OP is a kick that goes accidental into touch

    The opposite scenario is

    Black attacking knock on about 10m from white goal line
    White gather ball, ref signals advantage
    Under no special pressure white kick for touch
    But the kick is very badly sliced and goes directly into arms of black 11 who falls over the line for a try.

    A no adv, scrum white
    B You called advantage when they kicked , try black

    I don't suppose anyone will give a different answer

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    The OP is a kick that goes accidental into touch

    The opposite scenario is

    Black attacking knock on about 10m from white goal line
    White gather ball, ref signals advantage
    Under no special pressure white kick for touch
    But the kick is very badly sliced and goes directly into arms of black 11 who falls over the line for a try.

    A no adv, scrum white
    B You called advantage when they kicked , try black

    I don't suppose anyone will give a different answer
    I think it is fair to say that in a goal-line defense situation white 10 is under at least some pressure - hypotheticals are fine but I have never seen a clearance kick that hasn't been made under at least some chase-down by the oppo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The OP is a kick that goes accidental into touch

    The opposite scenario is

    Black attacking knock on about 10m from white goal line
    White gather ball, ref signals advantage
    Under no special pressure white kick for touch
    But the kick is very badly sliced and goes directly into arms of black 11 who falls over the line for a try.

    A no adv, scrum white
    B You called advantage when they kicked , try black

    I don't suppose anyone will give a different answer

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    The OP is a kick that goes accidental into touch

    The opposite scenario is

    Black attacking knock on about 10m from white goal line
    White gather ball, ref signals advantage
    Under no special pressure white kick for touch
    But the kick is very badly sliced and goes directly into arms of black 11 who falls over the line for a try.

    A no adv, scrum white
    B You called advantage when they kicked , try black

    I don't suppose anyone will give a different answer
    I think it is fair to say that in a goal-line defense situation white 10 is under at least some pressure - hypotheticals are fine but I have never seen a clearance kick that hasn't been made under at least some chase-down by the oppo.

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    B for me, and I'd try to call advantage over before the kick. If there is clean possession from the tackle/ruck following the knock on, once the ball comes back from that tackle/ruck, or even once it is clearly available, you are effectively in the same position as if there had been scrum, clean possession and the ability to do what you choose. If they muck up the kick, tough luck.

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    Back to this one , slightly different scenario

    Red knock on, play adv to blue

    Blue attempt a drop goal

    Is it
    a) adv over when he kicks it, just the same as the last question, crossef, leave it alone . Or
    b) ah, that's a good one , in this instance I would wait and see if it goes over or not

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    For me..it would depend on the amount of pressure on the kicker. Did he play it as he wanted? And then assess outcome.
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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ... Which is your decision?
    A No advantage gained. Scrum Red
    B Advantage Over when they kick it. Not my fault the kick turned out terrible. Line out blue
    I've asked this question at a Society meeting and were told it was A.

    If the kicker makes a hash of his kick, no advantage has been gained.

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    I'm with Menace. If he's under pressure, back for scrum.
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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    I've asked this question at a Society meeting and were told it was A.

    If the kicker makes a hash of his kick, no advantage has been gained.
    I have never thought that view made much sense. The standard question about a kick under advantage is "was the kick a free choice or under pressure?" I see no reason why the same logic should not apply to an attempted drop goal.
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