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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    B. Shitty execution of a clear tactical advantage (usually translated as the freedom to use the ball as you would want to) is not my issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    So as soon as ball left boot would you blow for scrum or would you wait until the ball alighted to see what happens?
    If it's clearly going to land in or out of the FoP then I would quickly say adv over or no adv.
    If I wasn't sure, I'd wait to observe flight of the ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So A then ?
    Ah, misread, lands directly in touch -> Yes, A I think, they've had no advantage

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    Scrum advantage and from the scenario it seems the team with the advantage had all options open to them (run, pass or kick) with no pressure from their opponent.

    So B for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    B I think, certainly is expected, if a good clean kick under no pressure, i’d certainly give the kick some air before calling adv over just in case though
    same if the kick is instead caught by the oppo who run back and score?

    and if so, what if the oppo try and catch the kick 30m downfield and knock on? where is the scrum you award then?

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    The OP said that the knock on in the middle of the pitch. I made the assumption that we were talking about the general run of play. A tactical advantage is just as valid as a territorial one. However I can see a scenario where after the knock on the ball might be hurriedly passed back to a kicker who might be 20M behind and that player cock it up. The ball might go sideways or even backwards in a strong wind. I could support a no advantage in such circumstances. It is a refereeing decision as to whether an advantage has been achieved. The better referees will make the right call. If in the OP there was clearly no pressure and you could reasonably expect a player with reasonable skill to kick the ball fairly accurately. In which case a quick ‘over’ is ok. It is down to the referee at that level of game to assess the situation. At higher levels you’d expect a player to get it right. A bit more leniency could be expected lower down.

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    Following on from Balones last sentence, I had already been thinking whether this advantage over at the point of kick is a tope-down-trickle thing...

    ie because this is what we see in pro games, it is blindly applied at Old Twattbaggians 5ths level?

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    As reoorted here before JP Doyle not so long ago called Adv Over as they kicked it, and then when it faded into touch for no gain, he changed his decision and said no adv.
    The oppo queried it it, asking .. didn't you say adv over ?
    He said .. yes , but I thought it was going to land in field ..

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    B

    They have satisfied 3 out of the 4 criteria.
    They were free to play the ball as they wished.
    Play has moved towards the other teams dead ball line
    B is a combination of the above two.

    You could also say they satisfy the fourth criteria since they have achieved a, b and c in the laws.

    1. Advantage:
    a. May be tactical. The non-offending team is free to play the ball as they wish.
    b. May be territorial. Play has moved towards the offending team’s dead-ball line.
    c. May be a combination of tactical and territorial.
    d. Must be clear and real. A mere opportunity to gain an advantage is not sufficient.

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    Default Re: Knock On advantage.. and kick

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Following on from Balones last sentence, I had already been thinking whether this advantage over at the point of kick is a tope-down-trickle thing...

    ie because this is what we see in pro games, it is blindly applied at Old Twattbaggians 5ths level?

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