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    Default Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    So situation is red tackled, red support is in a rucking position over the Ball and the ball is presented correctly to red side. Red scrum half is a little slow and blue has come down the side and stolen the ball out of the 'ruck'. Blue was the tackler-assist who remained on feet. They did not get hands on until after red was over ball.

    Now there is no red opponent in the ruck and as rules state there have to be one from each side to form a ruck.

    I have given free pass to red as it looked wrong but I'm now not to sure what would of been the correct decision?

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    I'm not sure what you're describing - red support is over the ball, blue assist is over the ball, but there's no rucking?

    If blue ran around the side to get the ball, it's a penalty against blue - either offside for a ruck or not through the gate if it's still a tackle.

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    I think this is a England specific question, relating to RFU rules of play

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    Yes this is RFU under 10 rules. In an ideal situation red could/should of picked up the ball as there was no ruck but instead protected the ball. Blue instead of binding on to form the ruck came around the side and took the ball from under reds legs. I guess it comes down to did Blue make contact with red when they came in around the side.

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    In RFU NROP there is an offside line at the back foot of the tackle, so ruck / guard is irrelevant. The only options for Blue are hold at the back foot until played away or contest the ruck (through the gate, bind on etc), so correct decision is free pass (penalty) to Red.

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    Consider that a ruck at U10 is one on one and no more, so very shallow and narrow, quite difficult to prevent the urge to pick it up when right in front of them

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    Thanks Flish, that's cleared up in my mind it was the right choice. Your right the ruck is narrow with only one v one and some of the kids do try there luck with it. I like the thinking that there is no ruck only the offside at the tackle so his only options is to wait behind the offside at the tackle line or ruck.

    It was an intense game to ref, as had one player swinging the sharp end of a horozontal elbow raised above his own armpit at anyone who tried to tackle him aimed at the tackles head. Granted the tacklers where coming in above the waist but below the armpits as they do in this age group with a more standing up in the tackle style. After several warnings and the threat of enforced substitution the time on the clock ran out...

    Now on to read up on the under 11 rules for next season.

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    Enjoy, i’ve just come to the end of U11 season and very much looking forward to U12s! Offside at the kick is a hard one to coach, and never having a marked 22 (15m) line makes the whole kick to touch thing a challenge too. Rucks and Mauls are more obvious though so that’s easier

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    I'm not "seeing" this fully.

    Where was the ball in all of this? Under red's foot (ie red foot closer to DBL than ball) or "out".

    If "out" do NRoP permit open play laws to now operate? IE is tackle offside permanent irrespective of ball position until played away?

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    Default Re: Under 10 Rucking and stealing the ball when not engaging

    In OP the ball was being presented by tackled player with 1 man over the ball in guard, so a mono-ruck, and offside in place (from the tackle in this case, but outside of NROP it would be from the mono ruck).

    If balls was out though then yes, in open play and offside lines have gone

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