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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    I don't think a flanker can bind on a prop if he is already bound full arm on a lock.

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    I can't even think where a flanker WOULD bind onto a prop in any meaningful manner if already bound on a 2nd row.

    And certainly not one that wouldn't have p1$$3d me off!

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    I don't think a flanker can bind on a prop if he is already bound full arm on a lock.
    Well TBH, we former wing breakaways do have broad shoulders and long arms that enable us to stay what appears to be bound to both the prop and 2nd row simultaneously. We are able to full arm bind on 2nd row, and still have enough shoulder remaining to cover the width of the back side of even the huskimost prop.(approx. 24"). So yes, our shoulders are 4 foot wide minimum.

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    From 2017 Law 20 Definitions:

    The outside players who bind onto the second or third row are the flankers.
    The player in the third row who usually pushes on both locks is the No.8.
    Alternatively , the No. 8 may push on a lock and a flanker.


    There is no equivalence in 2018 laws.

    There are several tactical reasons for flanks to bind as a third row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Well TBH, we former wing breakaways do have broad shoulders and long arms that enable us to stay what appears to be bound to both the prop and 2nd row simultaneously. We are able to full arm bind on 2nd row, and still have enough shoulder remaining to cover the width of the back side of even the huskimost prop.(approx. 24"). So yes, our shoulders are 4 foot wide minimum.
    Screenshot_20180122-173414.jpg

    This chap manages

    (Yes, I realise he is not bound to the prop. I worded it badly again. Must we all be such pedants?)

    Edit: Huskimost is my new favourite word. Surely a candidate for the OED word of the year 2018.
    Last edited by shnipvanwinkel; 22-01-18 at 17:01. Reason: Recognition of Shakespearean lanvyage skills

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    Quote Originally Posted by shnipvanwinkel View Post
    whilst the 8 can bind between the locks as above, or between one lock and a flanker on either side. Uncommon but legal, yes?
    #8 between a flank and a lock yes, legal (at adult rugby).

    leaving aside the legality wrt binding on a lock, a flanker bound into the third row is more likely surely to be placed with a head between the other flanker and a lock, adjacent to the #8 in the normal #8 position between both locks. At a push a legal bind might be argued by packing down between a flank and a lock and with a long arm forwards bind grasping the shirt of the lock with the armpit against the locks' behind.

    tactical reasoning ? something along the lines of (depending on which side the 3rd row flanker packs)

    * increased drive on that side
    * widening channel 1
    * closing off (protecting) channel 1
    * increased support to an attack/defence on that side (bit dodgy wrtd efence maybe !)



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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    In the 2018 Laws I am not sure the flanker is allowed to be in the third row alongside the #8 .. I don't see how he can really bind on to a lock's body from there... He would be binding to the #8 with one arm, and the other arm free

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    In the 2018 Laws I am not sure the flanker is allowed to be in the third row alongside the #8 .. I don't see how he can really bind on to a lock's body from there... He would be binding to the #8 with one arm, and the other arm free
    19.7.D (2018)

    "All other players in the scrum bind on a lock's body with AT LEAST ONE ARM."

    My emphasis.

    He would bind on the lock similarly to the way the #8 binds on the lock.

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    1 that's not how flankers used to bind way back when it was 3-2-3

    But more importantly .. is that actually possible once the #8 is bound ? Is it possible ? Would your arm go between the #8 head and the lock's thigh ?

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    Default Re: Back-row binding - new laws

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    1 that's not how flankers used to bind way back when it was 3-2-3

    But more importantly .. is that actually possible once the #8 is bound ? Is it possible ? Would your arm go between the #8 head and the lock's thigh ?
    I've never seen the 3-2-3 so I have no reference to how that was done.

    You could have the flanker with his head outside the locks loose hip, inside arm could be around the inside hip or arm bent 90 degrees and on the back, or through the legs like locks do on props. The #8 could be on the lock and flanker on the opposite side, or could be between the locks and be over or under the flankers arm, or bent 90 degrees and on the back or through the legs.

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