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    Default Re: Scrum ends

    As long as the scrum is moving , and when it stops call use it

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    Default Re: Scrum ends

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    As long as the scrum is moving , and when it stops call use it
    Think that is allowing the no8 too much of a tactical advantage. What would you do if the defending 8 was to pop up too?

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    But what material advantage is the attacking 8 getting, really ?

    (If the defending back row break binds it's much more clearly material as it means they can defend more effectively)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But what material advantage is the attacking 8 getting, really ?

    (If the defending back row break binds it's much more clearly material as it means they can defend more effectively)
    He is able to assess at a relatively leisurely pace the defense ranged against him and presumably on the basis of what he see decide when to pick up the ball and go.

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    How material is that really .. as with the posts above it feels like 'have a word in the downtime' rather than reaching for the whistle

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But what material advantage is the attacking 8 getting, really ?

    (If the defending back row break binds it's much more clearly material as it means they can defend more effectively)
    and if the #8 has all-but-broken early it gives that brief moment of advantage potentially. It permits the #8 a clear vsiion of what defnse is where in advance of picking the ball up.

    The law makers obviously saw it as having an unfair advantage ?

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    A number 8 breaking his bind is more material than many other offences . A couple of milliseconds when breaking from a scrum can have a huge impact on play.

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    Default Re: Scrum ends

    Can anyone point to where the Law requires players in a scrum to maintain their bind until the scrum ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    Can anyone point to where the Law requires players in a scrum to maintain their bind until the scrum ends?
    http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=19

    New law numbers, but 19.11.d;

    • All players’ binding is maintained for the duration of the scrum.

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    Default Re: Scrum ends

    2017 stated:
    20.3 BINDING IN THE SCRUM
    DEFINITIONS
    When a player binds on a team-mate that player must use the whole arm from
    Hand to shoulder to grasp the team-mate’s body at or below the level of the armpit. Placing only a hand on another player is not satisfactory binding.
    (a) Binding by all front row players. All front row players must bind firmly and continuously from the start to the finish of the scrum.

    Sanction: Penalty kick
    (f) Binding by all other players. All players in a scrum , other than front-row players , must bind on a lock’s body with at least one arm prior to the scrum engagement. The locks must bind with the props in front of them. No other player other than a prop may hold an opponent.

    Sanction: Penalty kick

    If a ref / player / coach argued that 20.3 (f) - the bit underlined - means that non front row only had to bind "Prior" the clarification in the 2018 book make it clear that is not so.

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