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    Default Uncontested scrums

    Interesting comment from our head of referees last night.
    Uncontested scrums are 8V8. This is irrespective of hoew mant you start in the scrum with or had in the scrum before they went uncontested.

    So, even if we have this scenario:

    Side has used all replacements and flanker goes off injured (14 V 15 and scrum 7 v 8 ) Now lets sayTHP is binned Side is dow to 13 V 15 BUT the scrums must be 8 V 8 (and the backs 5 v 7!!).

    I don't like it but that is our directive in Wales.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    That's not the direction we received .. which was, in these sorts of unusual circumstances that happen in the community game, .. to use some common sense and normally this would mean keeping the same numbers as were in place just before you went uncontested. So in this example stay at 7

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    we've been here before I thought, and came up with as CR says.

    If not down amongst the dead men you could have 12 v 12 just to get a game going with 6v6 scrums (say) - and end up through injury 8v8 packs, plus scrumhalf and two others on one side, three on the other.

    Whoever is expousing this bollocks needs to think about the game as a whole and its realities, and not just the elite end example.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    I agree, but we are stuck with it.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    I agree, but we are stuck with it.
    ... In Cardiff !

    But in reality , let's take didds example of a game that starts 12v12 .. regardless of what your ref manager said, in that game you wouldn't really force the scrums to 8v8 when they went uncontested, would you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ... In Cardiff !

    But in reality , let's take didds example of a game that starts 12v12 .. regardless of what your ref manager said, in that game you wouldn't really force the scrums to 8v8 when they went uncontested, would you ?
    we'd hope not. But lets be fair - there WILL be some ref out there that will, possibly for very good reason (eg new ref, went to society meeting, got told that's how to ref it, and is being assessed).

    The issue here is the ADVICE is wrong to start with. Now some poor bugger with a whistle has to go against society advice albeit because he has a brain and his head advisor hasn't.

    Now presumably anybody else in the society meeting as nobody raised these scenarios presumably? unless they did and THEN were told to do as they were told.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    The key intention of this is that a team that causes uncontested cant be allowed to benefit by having the same number of backs.
    The scrums must be equal so the non offending team gets the extra man in the backs and benefits from the other team going uncontested.

    The Cardiff head of referees seems to be applying the letter of the law, not the intention of the law?

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    then he presumably insists that any scrum half reaching into a ruck to retrieve a stuck ball is handling in the ruck and should be PKd?

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    As they failed to include any variation, if you go by the letter of the law, an uncontested scrum in 7s has to have 8 people in it - which is obviously nonsensical.
    I would have included this in the 2018 laws - rather than leaving it as guidance.
    And I woud have added the caveat - "when a side is playing with less than 15 players, a scrum can contain fewer players. an uncontested scrum must include the same number of players as previous scrums."

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Scrums cannot be uncontested in 7s unless stipulated by the match organizer.

    Uncontested scrums
    Sevens variation

    1. Scrums will become uncontested if either team cannot field a suitably trained front row or if the referee so orders.
    2. A match organiser may stipulate the conditions under which a game may start with uncontested scrums.



    The text in red is crossed out in the 7s variations, the copy and past formatting did not work properly.
    Last edited by thepercy; 23-01-18 at 17:01.

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