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    Default England Vs Georgia scrum training session

    Guys,
    A question. I have just watched the tape on the England Rugby web site about the training session with Georgia yesterday (Wednesday). At the start an active scrum is shown, the England No 8 (Hughes I think) starts with a conventional bind then during the scrum switch to a crutch bind. My question is it legal or not?

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    i'd not have an issue with this, might have a word at the next break in play, bit like moving from channel 1 to between the 2 locks, technically a PK, but a real "gotcha!" type of offence.
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    Is it ilegal? The type of bind is not really specified to my knowledge as long as it is a full arm.
    The technique descibed is used because science/research has shown that you can generate more force that way. All about marginal gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Is it ilegal? The type of bind is not really specified to my knowledge as long as it is a full arm.
    The technique descibed is used because science/research has shown that you can generate more force that way. All about marginal gains.
    Yes if both arms are binding that way.

    The players in the scrum bind in the following way:
    a. The props bind to the hooker.
    b. The hooker binds with both arms. This can be either over or under the arms of the
    props.
    c. The locks bind with the props immediately in front of them and with each other.
    d. All other players in the scrum bind on a lock’s body with at least one arm.


    But like BFG I would note it and have a word.

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    Default Re: England Vs Georgia scrum training session

    so if #8 starts with two arms around the outside with a full arm bind, he can then release one arm and be legal. that arm can then crotch bind. Now he's back to two full arm binds. then he releases the other arm and remains legal, and crotch binds with the second arm.

    Totally legal as long as its done one arm at a time.

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    No problem for me as I can't see making a case against it.

    And what would you say in a 'quiet word'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Yes if both arms are binding that way.

    The players in the scrum bind in the following way:
    a. The props bind to the hooker.
    b. The hooker binds with both arms. This can be either over or under the arms of the
    props.
    c. The locks bind with the props immediately in front of them and with each other.
    d. All other players in the scrum bind on a lock’s body with at least one arm.


    But like BFG I would note it and have a word.
    If you have a bind as described in the OP why can't it be deemed to be on the lock's body with at least one arm. What constitutes a 'body'?

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    I've now seen the video, no issues with it, but i stick by what i said with regards to changing channels
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    Crotch bind is not a legal bind for a No 8.

    Binding is in the definitions and states...

    Binding: Grasping another player’s body firmly between the shoulders and the hips with the
    whole arm in contact from hand to shoulder.


    So a crotch bind isn't actually a bind under law. Law states bind with at least on arm, so a double crotch bind would be illegal.


    And what would you say in a 'quiet word'?
    "You need to bind with at least one arm on a locks body, double crotch bind is illegal, don't let me see you do it again please."
    If he does it's an easy PK with a "I did warn you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Crotch bind is not a legal bind for a No 8.

    Binding is in the definitions and states...

    Binding: Grasping another player’s body firmly between the shoulders and the hips with the
    whole arm in contact from hand to shoulder.


    So a crotch bind isn't actually a bind under law. Law states bind with at least on arm, so a double crotch bind would be illegal.




    "You need to bind with at least one arm on a locks body, double crotch bind is illegal, don't let me see you do it again please."
    If he does it's an easy PK with a "I did warn you".
    Then locks are binding illegally and the standard #8 bind doesn't meet the criteria, either.

    The real questions: Is this bind dangerous? Does it destabilize the scrum? Does this bind disadvantage the opponents?

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