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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    I do not feel it is right but I have no juristiction to overrule him.
    But you could write to him, or ask your Society to query the logic where teams start with less than 8v8 or in U19 where the law stipulates that when a man goes off the scrums MUST be 7v7. Or any of the scenarios described by Matthew Carly.

    I do understand that until any such conversation takes place you have to comply with whats been told to you.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    I do not feel it is right but I have no juristiction to overrule him.
    Presumably you can ask him if his ruling only applies when both team started with 15 players?
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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    But you could write to him, or ask your Society to query the logic where teams start with less than 8v8 or in U19 where the law stipulates that when a man goes off the scrums MUST be 7v7. Or any of the scenarios described by Matthew Carly.

    I do understand that until any such conversation takes place you have to comply with whats been told to you.
    It was queried at the time. It was during a Society meeting. U19 has a specific variuation re the scrums so that
    take priority (As do 3 man scrums in an earlier post).

    Quote Originally Posted by OB
    Presumably you can ask him if his ruling only applies when both team started with 15 players?
    He was asked and that was his answer.

    I'm sorry if people don't like his answer. Be grateful that you are not affected by it.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Well, its seems definitive from what Marc says.

    Ridiculous - but definitive.

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Sadly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Sadly so.
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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    I can't find this in the 2018 law book , not covered by Laws 3 or 19 , I know it was part of last years Global trials , but are we still playing to it and if so which law covers it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrighty View Post
    I can't find this in the 2018 law book , not covered by Laws 3 or 19 , I know it was part of last years Global trials , but are we still playing to it and if so which law covers it ?
    unfortunately the 2018 Law Book omits all the current trials - if you go back to the 2017 Law book - which is on the WR site - you can see the trials

    (this is going to be a constant refrain for the next 12 months!)

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Just to clarify Crossref , the team that causes the uncontested scrum may not replace the player who caused it , so they must play with 8 forwards and 6 backs ?

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    Default Re: Uncontested scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by wrighty View Post
    Just to clarify Crossref , the team that causes the uncontested scrum may not replace the player who caused it , so they must play with 8 forwards and 6 backs ?
    no.

    In league rugby and many merit table competitions if you cause uncontested you drop to 14 players, and the new law is that you must retain 8 in the scrum.

    you are a school ref and at schools it's different
    1 I don't think schools games ever play man-off (?) so you'd stay 15v15 anyway.
    2 If you are 14 v 15 (run out of replacements say) then scrums must always be balanced, so you'd either be 7v7 or 8v8 depending upon which player you lost. Normally If the last person who went off was playing as a forward you'd drop to 7v7 if he was playing as a back you'd stay 8v8

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