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    Default Re: NatWest 6 Nations 2018 Championship - talking points

    Interesting that whilst EJ appears to have made some "interesting" selection choices nonetheless the roundly castigated back row selection v Scotland remains

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    The Championship is Ireland’s to lose at the moment.
    Ireland currently sit top of the Six Nations table, five points clear of nearest rivals England, and six ahead of this weekend’s opponents Scotland. If Ireland better England’s result this weekend then the Championship is over before we get to Twickenham.
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    Source: Telegraph
    Jaco Peyper had no alternative but to take the action he did once it was obvious that Watson had caught the Frenchman’s jaw. The law is quite clear on this point. As a referee, you first need to assess whether foul play has been committed...
    I know this has been discussed elsewhere on the forum, but does everyone agree that once the ref cards the player, he then has no other option but to award the penalty try?

    Sorry, the replay. (TMO confirms penalty try and Watson yellow card! | NatWest 6 Nations - YouTube) not available this side of the channel, due to rights restrictions. Click link to select, those in UK should be able to view the clip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
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    Jaco Peyper had no alternative but to take the action he did once it was obvious that Watson had caught the Frenchman’s jaw. The law is quite clear on this point. As a referee, you first need to assess whether foul play has been committed...
    I know this has been discussed elsewhere on the forum, but does everyone agree that once the ref cards the player, he then has no other option but to award the penalty try?
    No it's the other way round .. if you award a PT for an act of foul play then you have to get your cards out

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    Default Re: NatWest 6 Nations 2018 Championship - talking points

    Okay, thanks.
    Law 8.3PENALTY TRY
    A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position. A player guilty of this must be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off.
    My imperfect memory of the action, is that Jaco explained it the other way around. High tackle, so Yellow and I now have to award the penalty try. Before trotting away from the enquiring England captain to go under the posts.
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    Default Re: NatWest 6 Nations 2018 Championship - talking points

    My memory is that he discussed “in the act of scoring” with the TMO and their consensus was that it was in the act of scoring therefore a PT. And because it was a PT it was a YC.

    The commentators were effectively debating “beam me up” - someone suggesting it might not be a PT because it was a slightly high tackle which could have been a fair one, not preventing a try which couldn’t have been prevented by fair play. Which becomes an interesting debate given Peyper almost apologised for (at least one of) having to YC or PT. I think he used the word “unfortunate”.
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    Default Re: NatWest 6 Nations 2018 Championship - talking points

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No it's the other way round .. if you award a PT for an act of foul play then you have to get your cards out
    Someone needs to shoot this canard.
    You do NOT "have" to get your cards out. You get the cards out if the act is deliberate. The guidance on this is explicit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Someone needs to shoot this canard.
    You do NOT "have" to get your cards out. You get the cards out if the act is deliberate. The guidance on this is explicit.
    Well, give me an example of a non deliberate act of Foul Play, for which you would give a PT but no YC ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Well, give me an example of a non deliberate act of Foul Play, for which you would give a PT but no YC ?
    Clarification 9 of 2004
    If a penalty try is awarded as the result of a player unintentionally offending, the player, as well as being liable to cautioning and temporary suspension or send off, can be admonished by the referee.

    Examples of this may be after penalty tries resulting from:
    • mistimed tackle (early or late, but not dangerous)
    • unintentional reactionary high tackle, but not dangerous.
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    Default Re: NatWest 6 Nations 2018 Championship - talking points

    In practice I think that sort of thing in PT situation would be very rare, and the obvious and expected decsioosn , having given a PT for a dangerous tackle would be a YC

    Mind you, as we have noted in the other thread , the 2018 law book removes the distinction between deliberate and non deliberate actions, and says they all get a YC .. which presumably supersedes the clarification from fourteen year ago

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