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    Default Re: NatWest 6 Nations 2018 Championship - talking points

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackberry View Post
    Help! I've lost track of this PT / YC discussion. Is it possible sometimes to not give a YC after a PT?
    Until I hear otherwise from my society, I'm not giving automatic YCs with PTs - only if the infringement merits one on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackberry View Post
    Help! I've lost track of this PT / YC discussion. Is it possible sometimes to not give a YC after a PT?
    Yes if the offence wasn't intentional.

    Examples of this may be after penalty tries resulting from:
    • mistimed tackle (early or late, but not dangerous)
    • unintentional reactionary high tackle, but not dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Yes if the offence wasn't intentional.

    Examples of this may be after penalty tries resulting from:
    • mistimed tackle (early or late, but not dangerous)
    • unintentional reactionary high tackle, but not dangerous.
    But I think the high tackle in this case has been superseded by the other high tackle guidance and I don't think they now think that can be unintentional. Now a PK only for HT, if it stops scoring is that YC? For me, yes. But I also am likely just to YC the mistimed tackle if I decide on a PT too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    But I think the high tackle in this case has been superseded by the other high tackle guidance and I don't think they now think that can be unintentional. Now a PK only for HT, if it stops scoring is that YC? For me, yes. But I also am likely just to YC the mistimed tackle if I decide on a PT too.
    A mistimed reactionary tackle that is over the shoulder and dislodges the ball but doesn't stop the momentum of the attacking player?

    Early, mistimed or otherwise. Undoubtedly high & deems as foul play, but dangerous?

    I suspect YC is the predominant outcome based on a tightening on the laws on what is dangerous, but we should recognise there is still the just possibility of a PT without YC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    But I think the high tackle in this case has been superseded by the other high tackle guidance and I don't think they now think that can be unintentional. Now a PK only for HT, if it stops scoring is that YC? For me, yes. But I also am likely just to YC the mistimed tackle if I decide on a PT too.
    They can be "reckless" or "accidental".

    Accidental = unintentional, and includes situations where players slip into tackles. I think there was potentially a case here where a player diving for the line can be considered to be in either category, and while I can accept a YC, it seems it's not going to be universal.

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    "We demand strict proof for opinions we dislike, but are satisfied with mere hints for what we’re inclined to accept."
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    I had meant to spend sometime and get some clips lined up, but Ive been busy all week and that's not looking as if it will likely change so i'd rather get this out there.

    For the avoidance of any doubt this is not a rose tined glasses bleat!

    Watch the English attacking rucks from the French game. In particular watch the French tackler post tackle. Rolling away from the tackle, towards the approaching English supporters ... then stopping 1-1.5m away from the ruck... acting as a sleeping policeman. I'm told a practice that is picked up on in the premiership but not by JP it seems.

    so
    * well done the French for reading JP's handling of sleeping policemen
    * poor show England for not combating it by getting bodies into the tackle area quickly

    England's poor continuity at the tackle was totally their own fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    acting as a sleeping policeman.
    This is why old school rucking should be allowed!

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    These two have some interesting thoughts about that very subject

    Basically, when what England have been drilled in on the training pitch, doesn’t turn up on match day, the squad (and coaching staff) seem to be at a lost, as to how to adapt to the change.
    "We demand strict proof for opinions we dislike, but are satisfied with mere hints for what we’re inclined to accept."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    This is why old school rucking should be allowed!
    Nigel Owens explained recently , on Brian Moore's podcast, that it is still allowed . .. as long as your old style rucking is
    .. close to the ball
    .. away from the head
    He said it's then perfectly legal but you just don't see it

    Of course this would mean you can't ruck a sleeping policeman 1.5m from the ball .. but then I don't think you were ever allowed to do that , really

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