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    Yeah. Ireland kept France in the game with silly unforced errors. And France kept the Irish scoreboard ticking over with their indiscipline, giving away far too many penalties. But in this professional era, a win is a win.

    I wonder what the citing officer can do about deceit by the medical team?
    Dupont’s was particularly controversial as it brought Maxime Machenaud, a renowned kicker, back into the fray. Sexton was clearly upset and was seen remonstrating with Nigel Owens, but the Welsh referee’s hands were tied as he had been told – apparently by the independent doctor – that it was HIA.
    About time an “independent” doctor was struck off the medical record. Will probably only happen when a genuine Head injury is ignored and a player suffers the consequences of error. Might make them thinking twice about treating player safety as a game tactic.
    Dr Wendy Chapman of bloodgate fame: Warned about her unprofessional conduct by the General Medical Council, in 2010, but was allowed to continue her practice.
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    They could adopt the interchange system, and the problem promptly disappears

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    I thought the protocol was to remove and assess anyone who might have suffered a concussion. Since Nigel Owens said and signalled HIA when he stopped the game, the doctor might not want to say that there was no chance of a concussion - after all the cameras do not catch everything, as has been noticed in criticisms in the other direction: where players have been concussed and not removed for assessment.

    The fact that it is likely that Nigel Owens did not see anything which led him to suspect a possible concussion and was signalling out of an abundance of caution, and that it is likely that the only injury was to the player’s knee, doesn’t mean it was wrong to call it an HIA. Owens sounded sceptical, but I think he just wanted to make sure that the communication via the (French?) 4th Official was clear and accurate and he was certain the doctor was calling for an HIA.

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    They ignore/abuse the HIA protocol when it suits them. Medical doctors have a duty of care to their patients. They can hardly be considered independent, if they make decisions based on instructions from the coaching staff. A difficult situation for a doctor if his employer tells him to forget about his Hippocratic Oath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedr View Post
    Since Nigel Owens said and signalled HIA when he stopped the game, the doctor might not want to say that there was no chance of a concussion - after all the cameras do not catch everything, as has been noticed in criticisms in the other direction: where players have been concussed and not removed for assessment.
    I watched this a few times and I belive that Nigel may have signalled HIA because that is what the Fench team medics said as they arrived to treat the injured player. He (nigel) signalled that a few seconds after he stopped the game and the medics had already arrived. But if they used the TMO it would be clear that there was no collision involving his head and that calling this an HIA was incorrect.

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    You can't TMO review a medical decision!

    They could fix the problem by changing the system to remove the special advantages attached to a head injury , as opposed to any other type of injury
    Changing to interchange system would be a simple answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayner View Post
    But if they used the TMO it would be clear that there was no collision involving his head and that calling this an HIA was incorrect.

    A very dangerous road to go down. For one you don't have to have contact for concussion to occur! https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/concussion/ So using this TMO is this way could be highly dangerous and result in concussion being missed with potentiall life threatening results.

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    Hey. I work for them! And I'd like to think I was ok at my day job. 2\2 wrt results (noon Sunday) Scotland over hyped.
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    I think crossref’s suggestion sounds like a sensible work round. (Probaly why WR will never likely implement it.)
    Forget about the possibility of using the HIA as a tactic for a second. As French coach denied any part in the decision of HIA. The player had possible damage to anterior cruciate ligament. And he was allowed limp off the field of play.

    How about the medical doctor asking the match ref, “Sir he has clearly hurt his knee, can we get the golfcart on here, so he doesn’t do any further damage?” That’s his duty of care to the patient, minimizing further damage.
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    Full time: Italy 15-46 England
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