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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    But really, outside of head injuries why do you care ?
    Let the boys play

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But really, outside of head injuries why do you care ?
    Why do we care?

    Teamwork
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    #corevalues

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Shrug

    I don't want to end up in a situation where we have an under strength team, someone is standing on the touchline who wants to play , but I won't let them on the field. I can't see the point of that

    (Unless it's a head injury or a child obviously)

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Its not all concussion and broken legs., A local player died just before Christmas found dead in the changing rooms after leaving the pitch saying he was cold and didn't feel well.

    Its - WADR - too trite to just say if it isn't concussion its not a problem.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    :-( but that's the opposite problem, of someone declaring they are not fit to play, and not being looked after.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    but you are right, I was being a bit flippant.
    Of course I wouldn't want someone to play on if they were at risk of serious injury, but at some levels the difference between 'injured' and 'knackered' is rather blurry.

    Here's he regulations of our local Merit Table


    PLAYER INTERCHANGES

    15.1 Each team shall be permitted unlimited interchanges.

    15.2 Not more than two Player Interchanges per team may occur at any one time and may only occur during a stoppage in play and with the permission of the referee who is entitled in his sole opinion to refuse to allow or postpone a Player Interchange if he believes that the Player Interchange would prevent the opposition from restarting the game quickly or that a player has been injured or that it would not be safe in his opinion for the replacement player to play in the match.

    15.3 A Player who is a replacement shall not be entitled to take a kick at goal until a passage of play has taken place since that Player took to the field of play.

    15.4 A Player who suffers two injuries in a match which has necessitated that Player being replaced on each occasion is not permitted to act as a replacement following the second injury.

    15.5 Under dispensation provided to Unions by the IRB, where these rolling substitutions Regulations conflict with the Laws of the Game these Regulations shall take precedence.

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    Last year my association trialled the blue card for suspected concussion. https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2017/0.../aru-blue-card
    At the ARU presentation, lead by an expert Dr in concussion, where refs, team officials and medics/trainers attended I was absolutely floored by the medics/trainer and team officials attempts to come up with ways to avoid or get around having a blue card issued. Obviously the OP is the opposite where HIA/concussion is allegedly being used to bring on fresh legs.
    It was clear to me at that forum that trainers/medics and team officials do not practice what they preach. I fear they did not have the best interests of the player in mind. For them it was all about ways they could bend the rules all for the aim of winning the game. This is a sad reflection of them not really having a duty care.
    Nothing surprises me anymore the depths teams will take to take advantage of rules and protocols and theyve lost sight as to the intent of those protocols being introduced in the first place!
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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But really, outside of head injuries why do you care ?
    Let the boys play
    Pardon? If a lad had a "bit of a pain the his knee" he returns to play because "Why do "I" care?" and the lad turns a partial tear of a ligament into a complete rupture of his ligament.


    THAT is "Why I care!"

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    What if he turns up tjst day with a pain in his knee ? Do you examine all the players before a game to see if you think them fit ?

    Have you ever, really, told a player to leave the pitch because you suspect he has a bit of pain in his knee ?

    Let's be realistic
    Last edited by crossref; 10-02-18 at 20:02.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    If a lad had a "bit of a pain the his knee" he returns to play because "Why do "I" care?" [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    What if he turns up tjst day with a pain in his knee ? Do you examine all the players before a game to see if you think them fit ?
    Different scenarios, different answers.

    The following is from David Perry's obituary in the Telegraph last April
    He sustained a serious injury to his right knee after only 20 minutes but insisted on playing on – substitutes were not allowed in those days – after receiving painkilling injections.
    The decision doubtless did further damage to the knee, which was badly fractured, but the episode had two positive outcomes: it evidently obliged the rugby authorities to reconsider their policy on replacements and it gave Perry a new determination to focus on his business career
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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