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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    If there is a potential concussion the ref has no option but to order the player from the field (recognise and remove).

    If the coach has used all their interchanges,then more fool them.

    If there are facilities for a HIA and they pass before the final whistle, they can come back.

    If a coach uses up all the substitutes and a player gets injured, other than a head injury, they cannot be replaced.
    A good coach keeps an interchange in reserve.
    If you look at this weeks national 1 games, no side made more than 8 interchanges and most made less.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    In the RFU system a team with eight subs get 12 interchanges .. which is quite enough for all eventualities

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I don't see how anyone could ever be found guilty though .. if a player says he got a knock earlier in the game and later felt really strange .. then
    1 no amount of video can prove that he didn't (not until we have 30 camera to track every player )
    2 every doctor who was told that would .. quite rightly .. order an HIA

    Exactly that is another reason why earlier posts questioning contact with the head are uhhelpful at best.

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    The sy stem is open to abuser. Why did we have it in place anyway? Apart from the front row. Where there are safety implications why allow a player to come back on? If you use your replacements and a player breaks his leg though yoiu are down b tho 14. Why any different for a HI? Let's do away with uhh t an d blood. Off they go for treatment / assessmnent and you are a man down if they are back on within 10 mins fine if not tough.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    In the RFU system a team with eight subs get 12 interchanges .. which is quite enough for all eventualities
    And we know that one day it won't be...

    But that all said yes, an interchange system would remove abuses. just get one player off and another on for whatever reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegleg View Post
    The sy stem is open to abuser. Why did we have it in place anyway? Apart from the front row. Where there are safety implications why allow a player to come back on? If you use your replacements and a player breaks his leg though yoiu are down b tho 14. Why any different for a HI? Let's do away with uhh t an d blood. Off they go for treatment / assessmnent and you are a man down if they are back on within 10 mins fine if not tough.
    One difference is that one can often play on with a head injury, and not with a broken leg. Broken legs also don't obscure the player's ability to tell whether or not they have a broken leg - quite the opposite, in fact. And while a broekn leg may turn into a chronic injury when improperly treated, it's less likely to lead to death or lasting mental deficiency.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    So the ref orders the player from the field. As the laws allow him to do already. The point is that . With out the replacement yoou could not use ca false HIA to your advantage.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Not sure that is the way forward.

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    The whole concept of an HIA is wrong.

    1 It's purpose is to allow players whom we suspect are concussed to be allowed to play on. .. so it's fundamentally a bad idea. Elite matches should be using Recognise and Remove, same as everyone else.
    The eventual backlash will be how doctors ever agreed to the HIA protocol.

    2 by attaching special on field privileges to suspected head injuries, WR are encouraging teams to pretend they have symptoms . This is not a good idea. It's not as bad as hiding symptoms, but in the long run lots of pretence means confusion, clouds the water and makes concussions harder to detect

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    Default Re: Ireland v France - HIA issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    One difference is that one can often play on with a head injury, and not with a broken leg. Broken legs also don't obscure the player's ability to tell whether or not they have a broken leg - quite the opposite, in fact. And while a broekn leg may turn into a chronic injury when improperly treated, it's less likely to lead to death or lasting mental deficiency.
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