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    Default Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Hi everybody, this is my first message and I'd like to ask you all a simple question:

    Red 7 is carrying the ball.
    Blue 5 tries to tackle him but they both remain on their feet.
    Red 10 runs directly against Blue 5 and drags him away, setting Red 7 free.

    According to laws:
    10.4 (f): Playing an opponent without the ball. Except in a scrum, ruck or maul, a player who is not in possession of the ball must not hold, push or obstruct an opponent not carrying the ball.
    10.4 (e):Playing a player without the ball is dangerous play.
    and 10.1 (c):
    Blocking the tackler. A player must not intentionally move or stand in a position that prevents an opponent from tackling a ball carrier.

    I would say no...but I heard this is ok by a lot of people....Your opinion?

    Thank you all

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Sorry, question is: is that allowed?

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Depending on how that dynamically occurs you could well have a maul....and IF it is called as such then
    "17.3 Other maul offences
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    A player must not try to drag an opponent out of a maul."

    Im not suggesting what you describe is in fact a maul as binding is an important feature that must occur. Equally as referees we don't instantaneously call a maul the fraction it occurs by definition (well I dont) as sometimes for the sake of letting rugby break out you let it be fluid for a moment or 2.

    So what you describe and how quickly it occurs I might indeed play on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    Depending on how that dynamically occurs you could well have a maul....and IF it is called as such then
    "17.3 Other maul offences
    (a)
    A player must not try to drag an opponent out of a maul."

    Im not suggesting what you describe is in fact a maul as binding is an important feature that must occur. Equally as referees we don't instantaneously call a maul the fraction it occurs by definition (well I dont) as sometimes for the sake of letting rugby break out you let it be fluid for a moment or 2.

    So what you describe and how quickly it occurs I might indeed play on.
    Thank you for your answer. That was not a Maul, you are right.
    I am really doubtful about allowing this kind of action Red 10 does not bind to his team-mate, he goes straight against his opponent, isn't that obstruction?

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    merely trying to be clear - why wasn't it a maul?

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Im not sure i have the right image of what you're describing but from what Im thinking you're saying Id be more inclined to say playing the man without the ball?
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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Interesting question. We don't allow a player to be dragged from a ruck? We don't allow dragging from maul. This is not a tackle by definition and I can see how it can not be a maul if the arriving player does not bind. Fundamentally I don't think we allow dragging at any stage so I would say that we should not allow the scenario as described.

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by cccref View Post
    Red 10 does not bind to his team-mate, he goes straight against his opponent, isn't that obstruction?
    I think that very much depends where the opponent is to start with. And whatever in the general description provided the opponent is already in contact with the teammate, so its hard to see how the 2nd player in is causing an obstruction to that team mate.

    Could be under playing a player without the ball, but as menace says above, its very much on a case by case situation and dependent on factors such as where the tackler is grasping the teammate for starters.

    I'd also ask the question generally, what else shoudl the teammate do anyway? Take the offload yes... but if the BC is a fast winger abnd the supporter a prop, it would be in the interests of their team maybe for the prop to remove the clinging opponenet for the winger to sprint away than the prop to lumber on and get tackled afterwards. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    merely trying to be clear - why wasn't it a maul?

    didds
    This is a 1v1 situation, red (ball carrier) vs blue.
    Another red comes but he does not bind to his team-mate, he doesn't evend bind to his opponent, so no Maul, he just pushes his opponent away.

    What I am asking is: why is it an obstruction if a team-mate is in front of the ball carrier when the opponent tries to tackle him, when it looks completely fine to wait for the opponent to try to tackle and then dragging him away? (sorry for my english, but is not my language)

    Im not sure i have the right image of what you're describing but from what Im thinking you're saying Id be more inclined to say playing the man without the ball?
    Exactly, red 10 plays the man(blue 5) withouth the ball...blue 5 is binded to an opponent (no maul). As i see it, this is an obstruction, even in blue 5 is binded to the ball carrier

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    Default Re: Dragging away a player trying to tackle

    where is blue "attached" to the ball carrier?

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