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    Default Re: Bloody Creepers!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Well I'm happy to see this is not just my perception.

    Thanks for the replies chaps; keep pinging those cheatin' creepers!
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    Default Re: Bloody Creepers!!

    Ian,

    this 'rolling to buy time' or lurching forwards or practice has been steadily on the increase for up to 6 years in my experience. it's a coached technique which overextends the licence to jackknife & present that has been allowable once the grounded player's MOMENTUM has ceased.

    Allowing it adds to the wider game problem of lack of turnovers that see's teams 'protected' in 20/30/40+ phases of repeat possession nowadays

    My benchmark for PK is
    a] does a potential 'ball thief' have a realistic [proximity/timing] chance to steal , that is materially removed by the roll/crawl
    if yes - PK the BC roller
    if no - then it's immaterial to the continuity of possession.

    I'll say "Roll was only buying time" as an indication to those listening why i've PK'd, or "not making ball available soon enough"

    Players soon adapt & work out their timings, if not escalation strategy gets the same message across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM75 View Post
    My benchmark for PK is
    a] does a potential 'ball thief' have a realistic [proximity/timing] chance to steal , that is materially removed by the roll/crawl
    if yes - PK the BC roller
    if no - then it's immaterial to the continuity of possession.
    Pretty good judgement, although I do wish player would consider materiality more in their appealing. A back stepping up offside, realising they've gone too early and retreating is not offside in my book sand I wish it wasn't in the eyes of the 4 opposition player who immediately shout 'offside' even when the ball is still nowhere near reappearing from the ruck.

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    Default Re: Bloody Creepers!!

    PK them for "advice"?

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    Watching hi-lites England/Scotland with Nigel Owens in the middle.

    At 1:50 Scotland PKd for off-side at the ruck as they block for the box kick. Yesssss!

    At 2:20 England PKd for the BC rolling after the tackle. Yesssss! And NO invents a new referee signal.

    Two irritating offences that typically go unpunished. Thank you, Nigel.

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    Default Re: Bloody Creepers!!

    I've just seen a good example of what I was talking about in the OP (Item 2) in the France v England game. AT 76:45.

    Blue 5 is tackled by White 16. White 7 is the arriving player, in the gate, standing over Blue 5 trying to jackle. Blue 5 drives himself forwards on the ground into White 7's legs, causing him to topple.

    IMO, that ought to be a PK against Blue 5.
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    I had a slightly different version where a player was tackled, not held, then continued to crawl 3-4m with oppositiOn players around him. I pinged him for crawling, effectively playing off his feet but he wasn’t happy saying he hadn’t been held. He was right but I don’t believe you can just crawl as far as you like as no one can tackle or compete for the ball.

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    You're correct. "A player on the ground must..."

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    Default Re: Bloody Creepers!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I had a slightly different version where a player was tackled, not held, then continued to crawl 3-4m with oppositiOn players around him. I pinged him for crawling, effectively playing off his feet but he wasn’t happy saying he hadn’t been held. He was right but I don’t believe you can just crawl as far as you like as no one can tackle or compete for the ball.
    If he is not held, he is entitled to get to his feet with the ball (not held means not tackled). He is not entitled to crawl along the ground

    However, even a tackled player can get to his feet, provided he first releases the ball. If he's quick enough, he releases the ball, pops to his feet and picks up the ball.... I've seen it done, but its quite rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I had a slightly different version where a player was tackled, not held, then continued to crawl 3-4m with oppositiOn players around him. I pinged him for crawling, effectively playing off his feet but he wasn’t happy saying he hadn’t been held. He was right but I don’t believe you can just crawl as far as you like as no one can tackle or compete for the ball.
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