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    Default Standing Water

    Just watching the bath v Saints water polo.

    I think I would have called that pitch unsafe.

    How much standing water, if any, would you consider safe.

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    Default Re: Standing Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    Just watching the bath v Saints water polo.

    I think I would have called that pitch unsafe.

    How much standing water, if any, would you consider safe.
    Other than drowning, how does the standing water affect safety?

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    Other than drowning it doesn't.

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    Default Re: Standing Water

    Is this a referees responsibility? I know ultimately we are there to support the safety of player but my understanding was decisions on pitch playability lie with captains and/or coaches. If one team doesn't want to play, we don't play.

    As a referee I'm not sure what would constitute a playable or unplayable surface anyway. I've only ever stopped a game from going ahead once due to drainage stones appearing underfoot all over the place, even then we had a nearby pitch to decamp to.

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    Yes it is up to us.

    If either side says no we do not play.

    If both sides say yes but we disagree we do not play.

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    It would be good to get some guidance on this then. I've been refereeing for several years and never had one bit of training or guidance on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    It would be good to get some guidance on this then. I've been refereeing for several years and never had one bit of training or guidance on this.
    make the captains express their opinion before you offer any opinion yourself
    if either of them think it is unsafe, the game is off
    if both of them say it's safe, it's now time for your opinion - if you think it's unsafe it's off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    make the captains express their opinion before you offer any opinion yourself
    if either of them think it is unsafe, the game is off
    if both of them say it's safe, it's now time for your opinion - if you think it's unsafe it's off.
    Agree completely on this 'protocol'. That goes for any pitch surface, wet, dry, frosty, iced, snowed on, baked. I've rarely had to call a game off, but it's always been accepted when I do, and it's always after discussion/explanation with both captains. The issue with standing water is that the players slide over much more easily, and the risk of injury increases significantly. I'm refereeing way down, and balancing trying to get a game on with ensuring/assuring that as many players as possible continue with normal lives the day after. If it's just one small part of the pitch, I'll tell the captains I think that area is unsafe and will stop for a scrum anywhere near it - done that a few times and everyone happy. A pragmatic balance with safety the most important factor - the ref always has the final say.

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    Arrow Re: Standing Water

    In the context of this game at the Rec, the surface was deemed safe before kickoff.
    Such was the weight of the downpour throughout the day and into the game, by the interval there were three large puddles on the East side of the pitch

    Match report. So it puts the decision squarely back on the match referee.

    The photo of Tom Homer shows how bad the lake was. I think sprinting into an area of ankle deep could represent an injury risk to players, as a sudden change in the «*going*» is not ideal. Twisted ankle?
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    Default Re: Standing Water

    I have never had to call a game off -- but I came close once, when the pitch was covered with standing water, and the club blazers refused to let us move to the better drained 1st XV pitch.

    After a brief discussion, they let us move!

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