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    Default Re: Trouble at Los Millos

    Maybe the other way round .. you can only capture players if you register a fixture , in advance , as capturing , and then only if both sides register it .

    Give the work to the people who benefit from the work

    Registered games are listed on the WR website

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I think the moral of this story is "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!"
    Odd. My take is more along the lines is "We'll avoid any stone throwing by chopping the hands of anyone who dares to question anything done by those who manage the sport".

    From a PR point of view this is very simple: someone allowed a very clear case of conflict of interest to occur, even when they were warned about it with enough time to do something about it. Those responsible for that remain unpunished and those who raised the issue were severely penalized. That is how everyone (at least) in Spain is seeing this.

    Some of rugby's unique selling points, in particular in places like Spain, are the values that rugby brings to the table (respect, transparency, honesty, etc.) and the unfortunate but quite powerful "WR is not FIFA". It will take a long time before anyone in Spain believes anything that comes out of WR or Rugby Europe.
    Again, i don't think they realize the damage they've done.

    Just as a side note, if i send a instruction for a particular procedure to 10 Companies at work and 1 of them returns it with the incorrect info, my boss will lay the smack on him/her. If half of them send them with the wrong info, there is an incredibly big chance my boss will lay the smack on me. Hope the analogy is clear enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Maybe the other way round .. you can only capture players if you register a fixture , in advance , as capturing , and then only if both sides register it .
    So there is only an incentive to register the game if you actually want to capture a players' nationality. And even then it only works if the opponents do the same.

    The safe way to do it is for WR to check these fixtures when they register them and if one is a capturing game, they should make sure the relevant unions know, and make those unions responsible for ensuring all players involved understand the situation before they commit themselves.

    Registered games are listed on the WR website
    The fixtures are listed, but are they flagged as capturing nationality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross View Post
    From a PR point of view this is very simple: someone allowed a very clear case of conflict of interest to occur, even when they were warned about it with enough time to do something about it. Those responsible for that remain unpunished and those who raised the issue were severely penalized. That is how everyone (at least) in Spain is seeing this.
    Of course they are - they are desperately trying to avoid being in the wrong and conveniently forgetting the failure to ensure that their players were properly qualified.

    It will take a long time before anyone in Spain believes anything that comes out of WR or Rugby Europe.
    Are they seriously claiming WR got the nationality rules wrong?

    Their legitimate cause for dissatisfaction is merely that a Romanian referee ought not to have been appointed. However that in itself does not justify replayng the game.
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    Except none of that came out until Spain complained about the referee on social media. Conveniently.

    Their legitimate cause for dissatisfaction is merely that a Romanian referee ought not to have been appointed.
    merely... cute.

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    If Spain weren't unhappy with the ref, what was the initial blather all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post

    Their legitimate cause for dissatisfaction is merely that a Romanian referee ought not to have been appointed. However that in itself does not justify replayng the game.
    Of course World Rugby initially said that it DID justify replaying the game ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross View Post
    Except none of that came out until Spain complained about the referee on social media. Conveniently.


    merely... cute.
    Try the full quote
    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Their legitimate cause for dissatisfaction is merely that a Romanian referee ought not to have been appointed. However that in itself does not justify replayng the game.
    That point was covered in the report.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    OB...World Rugby themselves said that the circumstances surrounding the appointment meant that a replay WAS justified (which I think was unprecedented)

    While recognising Rugby Europe’s responsibility to review events in their own competition, given the context and significance of the fixture World Rugby acted immediately to request information relating to the above issues from Rugby Europe and participating unions. Having considered all available information, the World Rugby Executive Committee and Rugby World Cup Board felt that a replay would be in the best interests of the game.

    Since expressing that view, new information relating to player eligibility in the Rugby Europe Championship has been presented to World Rugby by the participating unions.....
    blah blah carpet swept long grass etc

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