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    Default 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    The 2018 Law Exam is up , and will be interesting to work through . We may get some insight into the minds of the Law Authors

    I started at random with Mauls and found this one interesting

    5 If the ball is dropped to the ground in a maul, the Laws of the ruck must be applied. True or false


    Correct Answer : True

    I think that is correct but I think when we have discussed this before not everyone agrees with this

    The Law reference is to the definition of a ruck

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    Also this one seems inconsistent with the 2018 Laws

    7 The No. 8, who usually pushes on both locks, decides to push on a lock and a flanker. Is this allowed?

    Answer Yes

    But

    When both teams have 15 players, eight players from each team bind together in formation as outlined in the diagram.

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Here's another (perhaps each one should have its own thread ?)

    6 A defender carrying the ball is tackled near the goal-line. The ball is released and rolls back into in-goal. Another defender lying on the ground reaches out and grounds the ball. What should the referee rule?
    5 metre scrum, attacking team throw-in
    5 metre scrum, defending team throw-in

    Answer A

    I think that was correct in 2017 but in 2018 the answer should be PK to attackers because of the new law in 2018
    A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
    Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of the ball.
    Not play the ball.
    Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent.

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Here's another (perhaps each one should have its own thread ?)

    6 A defender carrying the ball is tackled near the goal-line. The ball is released and rolls back into in-goal. Another defender lying on the ground reaches out and grounds the ball. What should the referee rule?
    5 metre scrum, attacking team throw-in
    5 metre scrum, defending team throw-in

    Answer A

    I think that was correct in 2017 but in 2018 the answer should be PK to attackers because of the new law in 2018
    A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
    Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of the ball.
    Not play the ball.
    Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent.
    Maybe pernickety but is "ground the ball" the same as "play the ball"? I guess by making it dead they are potentially stopping opponents who are not on the ground from playing the ball. In which case you might be in PT territory. Awarding the latter could make for an "interesting" post-match discussion.

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Seems to me it's definitely a PK

    Whether it's a PT would depend on what other players (on their feet) were near the ball
    If the closest legal player is an attacker it's a PT as well

    This goes to my point about why law difference need to be highlight so that (for instance) people writing Law Quizzes are aware of them
    Last edited by crossref; 06-04-18 at 09:04.

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The 2018 Law Exam is up , and will be interesting to work through . We may get some insight into the minds of the Law Authors

    I started at random with Mauls and found this one interesting

    5 If the ball is dropped to the ground in a maul, the Laws of the ruck must be applied. True or false


    Correct Answer : True

    I think that is correct but I think when we have discussed this before not everyone agrees with this

    The Law reference is to the definition of a ruck
    This is also a valid end to a maul, so that is why it becomes a ruck as the definition of a ruck is then met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Here's another (perhaps each one should have its own thread ?)

    6 A defender carrying the ball is tackled near the goal-line. The ball is released and rolls back into in-goal. Another defender lying on the ground reaches out and grounds the ball. What should the referee rule?
    5 metre scrum, attacking team throw-in
    5 metre scrum, defending team throw-in

    Answer A

    I think that was correct in 2017 but in 2018 the answer should be PK to attackers because of the new law in 2018
    A player on the ground without the ball is out of the game and must:
    Allow opponents who are not on the ground to play or gain possession of the ball.
    Not play the ball.
    Not tackle or attempt to tackle an opponent.
    I think there is a permission for players off their feet to ground the ball in-goal

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Why should the people writing the law quizzes be aware of them, when the people writing the laws were unaware they had made changes.

    The old law quizzes are actually a great resource for testing the law book (unless you are deliberately changing the law).
    One thing the law writers should do is get someone with the no knowledge but the new law book to work through the law quizzes and see if they can complete them. Then fix the law book until they can.

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    I think there is a permission for players off their feet to ground the ball in-goal
    once that ball goes over the plane of the goal line, there is much more scope for grounding the ball any which way, or so I heave been led to believe.

    Most pertinent example for me was NO permitting CM's try in last years six nation's when he had determined that as the ball had broken the plane he was allowed to seek to ground the ball even though he had gone off his feet on top of a pile of players and then used his feet to propel himself forward for the second and successful attempt.

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    Default Re: 2018 Law Exam (warning ..Spoilers )

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    I think there is a permission for players off their feet to ground the ball in-goal
    No. I think you are thinking of players in touch , who are allowed to ground a loose ball in in goal

    Also, it wasnt needed before because there was no particular prohibition on a player on the ground playing the ball. That's new in 2018 Laws (and one of the more important differences I think, as this scenario illustrates)
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