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    Default Jackler pulled over

    Saw this a few times yesterday in a game I was watching... nor seen it before so was intrigued.

    Red ball carrier tackled by yellow defender. Red goes to ground and presents ball.

    Yellow jackler attempts to jackle - no other players involved.

    red supporter arrives almost immediately after jackler, grabs yellow jackler's shirt and pulls him over to the red side so yellow jackler ends up doing a sort of forward roll. It didn't look dangerous in itself.

    Ref played on each time.

    ON the sidelines we discussed it briefly and at that time we could't see anything wrong with it.

    ON reflection though - I think that's a yellow PK. Because the jackler has created a ruck (one man over the ball) and red has collapsed said ruck?

    More than happy to told I am wrong!!!

    (Yellow won 95-12 anyway...)

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    In an era where the gator roll is allowed (assuming the grip is under the shoulder line), I don't think this will be called
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    Cheers Simon. To us watching (all my old 2nd XV mates) we thought it was fair enough. It was only later I wondered, but your point is well made.

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    If jackler hasnt yet got his hands on ball .( i feel this is what you have described )
    A ruck has surely clearly occurred , ( ball on floor , & player from each side are in contact over the ball )
    For this its collapsing the ruck , penalty all day long .

    If jackler has gained possesion of the ball . There is no ruck formed
    Providing red is on side , which he seems to be as you have described.
    We are now back in tackle only & jackler can be retackled through the gate only .
    So really all red has done is brought yellow ball carrier back to ground . ( new tackle )
    ( a kind of assist tackle )
    For this i would be playing on . .


    Also worth remembering
    Yellow jackler by him self reaching over red player to jackle ball , does not constitute a new 1 man ruck .
    .for a 1 man ruck the jackler has to actually step over ball .

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    Default Re: Jackler pulled over

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    Also worth remembering
    Yellow jackler by him self reaching over red player to jackle ball , does not constitute a new 1 man ruck .
    .for a 1 man ruck the jackler has to actually step over ball .
    Law 16: Amended Ruck Law
    A ruck commences when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground [...]
    Does that literally mean he must step over, or is it enough to be leaning over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post

    ON reflection though - I think that's a yellow PK. Because the jackler has created a ruck (one man over the ball) and red has collapsed said ruck?

    More than happy to told I am wrong!!!

    (Yellow won 95-12 anyway...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Law 16: Amended Ruck Law
    A ruck commences when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground [...]
    Does that literally mean he must step over, or is it enough to be leaning over?

    Take a look at alain rowland laws video .
    Ill try & post later

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    Default Re: Jackler pulled over

    I thought that Alain Rolland video was regarded as a bit rogue , and doesn't represent official policy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    If jackler has gained possesion of the ball . There is no ruck formed

    right .. so...

    1) if single player stands over ball and doesn;t touch it a ruck is formeed with offside lines etdc
    2) if single player stands oiver ball but puts his hands on it then the ruck is NOT formed, no offside lines etc ?

    That seems to be what Christy is saying.

    Do you guys agree with him, because I confess I hadn't got the impression at all from the trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I thought that Alain Rolland video was regarded as a bit rogue , and doesn't represent official policy ?
    that was the impression I'd got from the debate at the time here.

    IF WR had meanst for players to step ovber the ball to create a ruck why didn't they say so in the law, rather than say "on their feet and over the ball " ? Aside from the usual ineptness of the laws committee that were too busy thinking about what wine to order for the fisk course.

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