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    Default Re: What the f*** is happening with Lancashire's Leagues

    I am not quite sure what is happening.
    Northern division published a proposed new structure.
    This had a 14 team NLC and SLC 1 and 8-team Cumbrian leage and SLC 2 & 3

    It had 4 of the clubs that had previously been linked with the breakaway merit leagues and Oswestry - who are also listed in the Midlands division where they belong.

    The breakaway were open to entries until today.
    There was a note that if any more teams left, SLC 2 and 3 would be combined.

    The other oddity was Altringham Kersal were among the sides level transferred to NLC - but apparently they are appealing.

    There were reports that this caused Chesire to propose an alternative structure.

    There has been a lot of vitriol - and little light - on the rolling maul thread on the topic.

    Lancashire leagues have published a structured season - see https://twitter.com/LancsRULeagues
    They have left 5 weeks for a cup and say every side will get two games - so presumably will run a plate.
    However, while that works with 32 teams, it does not work with 24 or 20. As in the first round you have 8 or 4 games and do not have enough losers to start the plate. After the second week 16 or 12 losers and still need 4 weeks to complete the plate.

    They appear to be offering sides the opportunity to take one week a season off .
    I am not sure how that will work - what happens to the other side.
    In the worst case, a side could have half their games cancelled.

    I am not sure who is organising fixtures for these clubs other sides - are they still entered in the NW Merit leagues.
    If so will they still travel to Cumbria / Cheshire / Man

    I am intrigued as to how it will pan out.

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    There is a motion in wednesdays northwest intermediate leagues AGM to specifically exclude clubs from Cumbria, I guess Cheshire and greater Manchester and other peripherals are ok

    9. Proposed by Aldwinians, Seconded by Wigan

    a. Cumbria Teams should play in Cumbria Shield Leagues.

    Unbelievable that a club who were excluded from the leagues las season as they couldn't field a second team can second a motion that would deny 5 clubs who fully participated last season the opportunity to play rugby.
    Disgraceful
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    While not commentating on the reasons for the proposal.

    If those 5 sides played in the Cumbria structure, with the 7 sides from NLC, 8 from the proposed Cumbria 1 and 10 from Cumbrian Shield, would give 10 team leagues at level 7,8 and 9.

    Something like:

    Cumbria Premier (level 7)
    Aspatria
    Wigton
    Keswick
    St Benedicts
    Whitehaven
    Upper Eden
    Hawcoat Pk
    Kendal 2
    Kirkby Lonsdale 2nd XV
    Penrith A

    Cumbria 1 (Level 8)

    Cockermouth
    Furness
    Silloth
    Workington
    Carlisle Crusaders
    Windermere
    Egremont
    Millom
    Upper Eden A
    Hawcoat Pk A

    Cumbria Shield (Level 9)

    Wigton 2
    Keswick 2
    Moresby
    Aspatria 2
    Creighton
    Workington 2
    Cockermouth 2
    Whitehaven 2
    Millom 2
    St Benedicts 2
    Kirkby Lonsdale 3rd XV

    I am sure Mr Trainor will point out that introduces some horrible mismatches.

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    Default Re: What the f*** is happening with Lancashire's Leagues

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    While not commentating on the reasons for the proposal.

    If those 5 sides played in the Cumbria structure, with the 7 sides from NLC, 8 from the proposed Cumbria 1 and 10 from Cumbrian Shield, would give 10 team leagues at level 7,8 and 9.

    Something like:

    Cumbria Premier (level 7)
    Aspatria
    Wigton
    Keswick
    St Benedicts
    Whitehaven
    Upper Eden
    Hawcoat Pk
    Kendal 2
    Kirkby Lonsdale 2nd XV
    Penrith A

    Cumbria 1 (Level 8)

    Cockermouth
    Furness
    Silloth
    Workington
    Carlisle Crusaders
    Windermere
    Egremont
    Millom
    Upper Eden A
    Hawcoat Pk A

    Cumbria Shield (Level 9)

    Wigton 2
    Keswick 2
    Moresby
    Aspatria 2
    Creighton
    Workington 2
    Cockermouth 2
    Whitehaven 2
    Millom 2
    St Benedicts 2
    Kirkby Lonsdale 3rd XV

    I am sure Mr Trainor will point out that introduces some horrible mismatches.
    I imagine KL 3rds would heavily struggle in that Level 9 league - I'd also argue that they seem happy and settled in Division 5 North of the Merit Leagues and perhaps don't need to be removed. Especially having played for them!

    But the logic and merit works - it just seems to be a giant mess!

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    Default Re: What the f*** is happening with Lancashire's Leagues

    So reading more into this - they have 2 leagues of 10 set-up (think a few of the smaller clubs realised they were getting shafted), meanwhile the lower league setup of the RFU north leagues looks uh messy.

    Think it's time to put in 2nd teams from Level 9 below and 3rd Teams from Levels below into the RFU league structure for the sake of this not getting ridiculous, and teams from higher up split off into a true reserve league.

    http://www.rfunorth.com/news/North%2...May%202018.pdf
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    Actually there would not be too many mismatches in that structure if every team had people fit and available. The reality is that will not happen, and teams from Cumbria have always looked forward to playing different clubs.
    In my day we played Ryton in the north east and crew and Nantwich in Cheshire regularly.
    For me becoming insular is not good for the game.
    Can't see the proposed structure working for the Isle of Man teams either.
    I understand why some teams have done it, just personally very disappointed.
    The unique challenges of travel in this region need to be better funded by the Rfu or the game will die.
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    Apparently the vote at the Nowirul AGM was unanimous in favour of keeping Cumbrian clubs.

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    Yes camquin and my source tells me that it wasn't quite unanimous, the proposing and seconding clubs abstained!
    Ciaran Trainor

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    I think my informant does not know the difference between unanimous and nem con - what do they teach them in schools these days.
    The Lancashire RFU twitter has links to the Lancashire League fixtures and the latest RFu North league structure - with SLC2 and 3 merged.

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