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    I understand that a French player was injured in a tackle that is causing a bit of a "buzz" on social media and in the press. What actually happened was it an issue? So sort of double and high tackle?

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    Default Re: New Zealand Vs France

    thread on Planet Rugby here

    a gif from there:


    other clips in the thread too.

    I think a lot of fuss is that a yellow card was given against France before hand for a soft-looking arm over the shoulder, no head contact

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    There's no arm there from the second AB That looks at least a card.The tqckle is high be the falling player offers some mitigation on card.

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    Black 18 , reckless shoulder to head ,,for me red card ,,no issues ..

    The high tackle , although high is made a lot worse by black 18 smashing the blue players head into next week ..

    What was the out come on day ..surely it wasnt play on .

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    I don't know. I know there was no red card. The high tackle law is that it must be at least a PK as it ended up above the line of the shoulders. So that should be no debate. I assume it was PK only.

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    Isn't that the same as Sonny Bill Williams' "tackle" in theTest against the British Lions?

    And that ended in a Red Card?

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    Was this in anyway seen and penalised in the game, as looks red all day to me? Or was it just missed onfield and by the TMO? One ass7me a citing to follow?

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    PK only. No citing so did not meet the RC threshold.
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    Default Re: New Zealand Vs France

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    Black 18 , reckless shoulder to head ,,for me red card ,,no issues ..

    The high tackle , although high is made a lot worse by black 18 smashing the blue players head into next week ..

    What was the out come on day ..surely it wasnt play on .
    World Rugby is directing that a tougher approach be taken: This has come from evidence-based initiatives introduced in the drive to make Rugby as safe as practically possible.

    High tackles – two new categories:


    1. Accidental high tackle – accidental contact made to the head due to unavoidable actions of the ball carrier.
    2. Reckless high tackle – deliberate contact and/or known risk of contact to the head due to actions of the tackler.

    Decision making process

    HAS THERE BEEN FOUL PLAY?



    • NO = play on
    • YES = then in delivering the best decision, consider:
      • Where was the initial contact? Direct to the head or indirect (slipped up).
      • Severity: Force, Speed/Pace, swinging arm, momentum, shoulder
      • Accidental/Mitigating factors: ‘Slipped’ ‘Ducked into’.




    1. PK ONLY – Indirect contact, No force
    2. YELLOW CARD
      1. Indirect contact, with force
      2. Direct contact, no Force

    3. RED CARDDirect contact, with force


    Black 18, this is just a rugby incident, and therefore accidental. Black 18 could not possibly have known that was going to happen. He was in very good position to make a tackle (crouched, shoulder chest high arm out ready to wrap) then Black 7 tackled Blue 11 (high, I'll get to that in a moment) and this brought Blue 11's head down into direct contact with Black 18's shoulder. It wasn't a shoulder charge, so the force of the impact is not attributable to Black 18.

    Black 7, should have been YC. Its debatable whether the referee could tell (live, and at full speed) if his forearm made direct contact with Blue 11's head first, or glanced off his shoulder, so he probably went with indirect contact, no force. Black 7's arm was certainly NOT swinging into the contact. The referee also claimed that Blue 11 was falling (Accidental/Mitigating factors). I don't think he was... IMO, if the referee had gone to the TMO, then the tackle would have been seen differently and for what it was i.e. direct contact to the head, no force and no accidental/mitigating factors. I am sure Black 7 would have been YC.

    Neither of these appear to meet the RC threshold laid down in WR's own guidelines (direct contact to the head, with force and with no mitigating factors), so there has not been a citing, and nor do I expect to see one.

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    Black 18, this is just a rugby incident, and therefore accidental. Black 18 could not possibly have known that was going to happen. He was in very good position to make a tackle (crouched, shoulder chest high arm out ready to wrap) then Black 7 tackled Blue 11 (high, I'll get to that in a moment) and this brought Blue 11's head down into direct contact with Black 18's shoulder. It wasn't a shoulder charge, so the force of the impact is not attributable to Black 18.

    Absolute rubbish .
    Trailing arm , no effort to wrap . in good position to see what he was about to do & took it through with no care of out come to blue player ,,
    Dont come any more clear than this clip .

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