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    Default Re: New age grade Law Variations trial in Scotland

    .It was merely one possibility agreed camquin :-)

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    Default Re: New age grade Law Variations trial in Scotland

    The three unions involved will never agree to standardise their age grade rules.
    So far as I know it's never even been suggested.
    Any more than would Middlesex and Surrey agree to use the same man off rules . I don't think it's ever been suggested

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    When I did the permission to tour paperwork with out County office, I specifically included the fact that we were playing to WRU age group rules in the risk assessment, with a note about the lineouts. They duly signed off as expected but I figured this might help in the event of any potential insurance issue.

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    Their is such a lot of confusion about insurance

    The RFU insurance covers all catastrophic injuries suffered playing rugby. It doesn't matter if people are negligent or using the wrong laws .. the injured person is still covered . That is the point of insurance

    If there was negligence the insurance company might come after you to recover the costs, but that is separate. The person with the catastrophic injury is covered by the insurance

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Their is such a lot of confusion about insurance

    The RFU insurance covers all catastrophic injuries suffered playing rugby. It doesn't matter if people are negligent or using the wrong laws .. the injured person is still covered . That is the point of insurance

    If there was negligence the insurance company might come after you to recover the costs, but that is separate. The person with the catastrophic injury is covered by the insurance
    Yep, understood, just want to make sure that tour leaders and/or our club would not be facing off with the insurance company. It would be harder for them to prove negligence if the County office (and therefore RFU) have signed off on that specific risk.

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    Yes, it's a good idea not to be negligent .
    But the primary reason why you would avoid negligence is because you want to keep your players safe, and avoid any injury in the first place. Not so much to CYA in the resulting court cases

    In other words your train of thought should be about whether your boys can safely lift.

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    Default Re: New age grade Law Variations trial in Scotland

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes, it's a good idea not to be negligent .
    But the primary reason why you would avoid negligence is because you want to keep your players safe, and avoid any injury in the first place. Not so much to CYA in the resulting court cases

    In other words your train of thought should be about whether your boys can safely lift.
    Yes, absolutely. We did a risk assessment. We identified which players could be exposed to the lifting. We had qualified coaches do a couple of sessions with them. We briefed the (Welsh) referee that the boys hadn't been lifting back home yet and that at any signs of an issue we would just stop lifting. For what it's worth I am a RFU level 1 coach and qualified first aider, so you're preaching to the converted!!

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    Default Re: New age grade Law Variations trial in Scotland

    Good points CR.

    Bottom line however is that wrt the RFU's insurers at least, the requirement is for coaches etc to follow the AG regs.

    RFU AG regs don't permit lifted lineouts until U15. (notwithstanding one off differences as per the above)

    the crux here is whether the insurers (Marsh?) have decided that lifted lineouts below U15 are not an item they wish to insure, or whether its the RFU that have decreed no such lifting. which still binds coaches etc to those regs etc. wrt what is covered or not ie whether they may get chased etc.

    So whatever the reasons for the REFU not allowing lifting below U15 its either/or/both

    * RFU don't want it
    * Insurers don't want it.

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    Default Re: New age grade Law Variations trial in Scotland

    You are required to follow the Laws
    But if you don't , it doesn't invalidate the insurance. The kid with the injury still gets a pay out .

    It does expose you to legal claims against you

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    Default Re: New age grade Law Variations trial in Scotland

    which is exactly what I said of course.

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