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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    This is a very interesting thread. There are two completely different lines of thought , one saying that the downtown Law applies just for a short time, just after the kick is made, and another school of thought that it lasts all the time the ball is in flight. I wonder which is 'right' This might be worth a clarification request
    I reckon the deliberate inclusion of the word "just" was done on purpose - and restricts the downtown option to a very short period of time after the ball is kicked.

    If the law makers wanted to give the kicker the option until the ball landed
    • they could have said that - but they didn't or
    • they could have simply left out the word "just" - but they didn't do that either.

    The downtown option only exists in the "Dangerous Play" section and refers to the "kicker". I still reckon once the kicker is fully back on the ground and can be considered a runner just like every other player, the "dangerous" element of a late charge is gone and the downtown option dies - and he's then protected by the normal "Obstruction" law which apply to every player - but that doesn't give a downtown option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    If the law makers wanted to give the kicker the option until the ball landed
    • they could have said that - but they didn't or
    • they could have simply left out the word "just" - but they didn't do that either.
    Well that's a silly argument, because it only works on the assumption that "just" means what its conclusion requires it to mean.

    You could also argue it means "until the ball bounces/is played", otherwise the lawmakers would have phrased it to use "immediately", which would be consistent with other laws requiring 1-2 seconds.


    The downtown option only exists in the "Dangerous Play" section and refers to the "kicker". I still reckon once the kicker is fully back on the ground and can be considered a runner just like every other player, the "dangerous" element of a late charge is gone and the downtown option dies - and he's then protected by the normal "Obstruction" law which apply to every player - but that doesn't give a downtown option.
    This can't be the case, because it specifically says late charge *or obstruction* of the kicker, and obstruction's not going to be dangerous immediately after the kick. The only time it will be dangerous is when the kicker's at full speed with his eye on the ball.

    However, this would also apply to non-kickers. So we could either assume that filing it under Dangerous Play is a red herring because it has to go *somewhere*, or that "obstructing the kicker" is given as a separate offence because the subsequent position of the mark is different from the usual obstruction that's already been defined.

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    You are making theassumption that the law makers applied as much thought to drafting the law as we have to analysing it.

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    I think taff point .. that this is about dangerous play is a good one .. it means that it applies at the time of the kick , to protect kickers from cheap shot
    Last edited by crossref; 13-07-18 at 14:07.

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    The late charge part, yes. The obstruction, clearly not.

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