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    Default Illegal studs

    I ref a mix of grassroots and youth rugby...

    When I do my boot inspection it is usual to have one or two studs that whilst not sharp, don’t confirm to Reg 12 (eg football studs not 1cm across at end).

    it seems overly officious to me to stop them taking part - and what I usually do is warn them in the presence of their capt. of the issue and that if I see them near another player I am going straight to my pocket.

    How does everybody else handle it?

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    hi mcroker.
    i would advise you dont pre warn said player , you are going for your pocket ..

    if they are slightly worn away , but were clearly once proper studs , i would let them play no probs .
    if they clearly wrong studs ,,dont let them play ..

    go back to your pre warn penalty ,,,suppose you dont get there in time & a player gets his ear ripped off / similar .
    last thing you need is a ,,,,oh & by the way the ref said i could play ..

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    Why not ask them to change the stud if you think it illegal? I can't see any good coming from telling a player publicly that their studs are illegal and then allowign them to take the field with them.

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    Default Re: Illegal studs

    Whilst you think that you know what are illegal studs, search this site for 'studs' and read a few of the threads e.g.
    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ighlight=studs
    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ighlight=studs
    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ighlight=studs
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy View Post
    hi mcroker.
    i would advise you dont pre warn said player , you are going for your pocket ..

    if they are slightly worn away , but were clearly once proper studs , i would let them play no probs .
    if they clearly wrong studs ,,dont let them play ..

    go back to your pre warn penalty ,,,suppose you dont get there in time & a player gets his ear ripped off / similar .
    last thing you need is a ,,,,oh & by the way the ref said i could play ..
    I disagree. You cannot force a player to change boots/studs/clothing etc. What you can do is point out the consequences if they choose not to adhere to your instructions.

    I warned a player about a missing stud leaving only one at the rear last year. 2 minutes before KO I check again and he still has not changed boots or added a stud (claiming no spare boots/studs). I made it clear to him, his captain and his coach if he took the field in those boots with no new studs I would red card. Lo and behold an alternate (legal) pair of boots arrives just in time.....

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    It's an interesting one. I don't see any Law against a missing rear stud, and if he had torn his Achilles and blamed it on the ill fitting boots you forced him to wear, I wonder where you would have stood in the court case

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    Sorry clearly I failed to adequately search before posting ...

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    Default Re: Illegal studs

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's an interesting one. I don't see any Law against a missing rear stud, and if he had torn his Achilles and blamed it on the ill fitting boots you forced him to wear, I wonder where you would have stood in the court case
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    You aren’t forcing him to do anything ... you are merely preventing him playing unless his remedies the defective boot.

    That said I agree that there is nothing in law or regs that requires all studs to be present

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    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    Whilst you think that you know what are illegal studs, search this site for 'studs' and read a few of the threads e.g.
    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ighlight=studs
    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ighlight=studs
    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....ighlight=studs
    Not relevant! The scenario presented is the referee telling a player that the stud is not acceptable but the player can wear it anyway but must "behave".

    Very different to a referee deciding that the stud is legal.

    If you are going, effectively, to "ignore" a stud that you see as illegal. It is probably best to keep your
    mouth shut about it.


    But yes it is advisable to do your reseach as to what is and is not legal.
    Last edited by Marc Wakeham; 08-09-18 at 10:09.

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