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    Default 2018 Law Focus Areas. Notes from Conference

    Just wondering if other refs are being given similar advice as to "focus-points" for this season.
    These are some notes I took from my previous meeting:
    A theme seemed , to me, to help make turnovers more likely, at the breakdown.

    1) Tackled player crawling/rolling - Tackled player, once grounded, should not make further movements such as rolling or crawling. This can make arriving defenders mis-time their jackal and sometimes look like they are going off-feet or putting hands on ground.

    2) A ruck is now over when the ball is clearly available. So, when there are no players over the ball and the ball is on the ground, defenders can pick it up. Whilst still not allowed to play any SH who is attempting to play the ball, defending players can put their hands on a ball which is "open" due to the players in a recent ruck having fallen off their feet. Previously, some referees were telling defenders to leave the ball which is on the ground and yet clearly available after all other players are on ground.

    3) Players who pickup the ball at a tackle must have both feet behind the ball. Once foot in front and one foot behind would be considered "in front" of the ball and hence offside.

    4) Players competing for high kicked balls. A defender who doesnt jump for a ball but takes up the space , ready to catch a high ball will not be penalised if a would-be attacker leaps near him to try to catch a ball and there is contact. The defender must be in a realistic position to catch the ball. There was also mention that a jumping player must take responsibility for his their safety and cant win a penalty by leaping recklessly at a stationery defender.

    5) Appealing for decisions - warn and sanction any repeated appeals to attempt to influence a referee's decision-making, unfairly.

    6) Line-outs - watch for either side's players entering the gap as they change position just before a ball is thrown in. Some teams appear to be using this to gain advantage.

    there were some others but these were the main points.
    I was pretty impressed to be honest. These guidelines made total sense to me.

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    I may have got this wrong but it seems to me that they are asking referees to apply and referee to the laws.��

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    2) A ruck is now over when the ball is clearly available. So, when there are no players over the ball and the ball is on the ground, defenders can pick it up. Whilst still not allowed to play any SH who is attempting to play the ball, defending players can put their hands on a ball which is "open" due to the players in a recent ruck having fallen off their feet. Previously, some referees were telling defenders to leave the ball which is on the ground and yet clearly available after all other players are on ground.
    what do the words "available" and "open" mean in this context?
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    The word used for us was "exposed" and this is the WR slide

    .If the ball is clearly exposed (people over ball??) or has emerged from the ruck, it is
    deemed over, so, therefore, the ball can be played. If not, then the principle of ‘Once
    a ruck always a ruck’ applies. However, the scrum half cannot be tackled without the
    ball


    It reminds me of the old "when a seagull can crap on it" which is not seen as a good definition nowadays.. until now perhap

    I wonder what they mean by the principle of once a ruck always a ruck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The word used for us was "exposed" and this is the WR slide

    .If the ball is clearly exposed (people over ball??) or has emerged from the ruck, it is
    deemed over, so, therefore, the ball can be played. If not, then the principle of ‘Once
    a ruck always a ruck’ applies. However, the scrum half cannot be tackled without the
    ball


    It reminds me of the old "when a seagull can crap on it" which is not seen as a good definition nowadays.. until now perhap
    why do they try to complicate it? The ruck is over when the ball is out. The ball is out when all of the ball is past all of the body parts of the players in the ruck.

    WTF does 'exposed' mean? Is it exposed if I can see it?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    I wonder what they mean by the principle of once a ruck always a ruck.
    I suspect they mean that even if one team drops all of their players out of a ruck, the ruck remains once formed.
    Last edited by Dickie E; 13-09-18 at 06:09.
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    So now WR offer two ways a ruck can end
    1 the ball is clearly exposed
    2 the ball has emerged from the ruck

    1 seems to be the old seagull test

    I think what WR meant to do was to observe that in pro rugby we were starting to see situations where the ball was out, typically at the 9s feet, and refs were treating the situatiin as if it were still in ... Because the ref wanted the ball to get away, rather than having a close quarters scramble for it.
    WR are saying stop that.
    It didn't need a different definition of when a ruck ends

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    CTPE - A theme seemed , to me, to help make turnovers more likely, at the breakdown.

    Yes. Basically the clubs/coaches at the professional/semi-professional levels of the game have discussed the breakdown area with the RFU and they want more competition in this area because the feeling is/was that the way it was being reffed at the breakdown was showing too much leniency towards the side in possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think what WR meant to do was to observe that in pro rugby we were starting to see situations where the ball was out, typically at the 9s feet, and refs were treating the situatiin as if it were still in ... Because the ref wanted the ball to get away, rather than having a close quarters scramble for it.
    WR are saying stop that.
    If they'd said instead all ruck players must stay on their feet to end this unedifying sight of prone bodies all around the ball creating this unholy mess that would have sorted it out as well. After all, that's only what the laws already say iunnit?

    Oh well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Just wondering if other refs are being given similar advice as to "focus-points" for this season.
    We had a similar talk covering your points 1, 2 and 6, plus some others

    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....537#post348537

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    why do they try to complicate it? The ruck is over when the ball is out. The ball is out when all of the ball is past all of the body parts of the players in the ruck.

    WTF does 'exposed' mean? Is it exposed if I can see it?



    I suspect they mean that even if one team drops all of their players out of a ruck, the ruck remains once formed.
    Good questions
    The video examples given ( and there was some discussion ) highlight the opposite of "once a ruck always a ruck". When all players have collapsed and there is nobody over the ball, then the defenders can come around and pick up the ball. One example even showed both the 9 and a defender both going for the ball at same time - all now totally legal - providing the defender is going for the ball and not the 9, and of course, isnt merely diving over the ball.

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