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    Default Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    USA University level match.....Team Blue does not have sufficiently trained props.
    The props have one week of practice under their belts according to Team Blue coach.
    Coach of Team Blue asks for unopposed scrums under Law 3.
    Team Red claims under Law 3 its a forfeit because Team Blue doesn't have adequately trained players to play prop.
    Team Blue's concern appears to be safety.....Team Red wants to keep their number one standing.
    I as referee, felt safety was the concern and Law 3 (13) covered the issue.
    Hence, uncontested scrums and play on....no ordered forfeiture.
    Team Red's coach say they will play under protest.

    Your thoughts?

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    1 if a team declare that they don't have suitably trained front row, then you are completely correct to order uncontested scrums. Clearly that is right

    What happens next will depend on the competition regulations. In England , various different competitions would have forfeit , a match points penalty (ie starting say 15 points down) , a League points penaly, starting with 14 players or even, in some competitons , no penalty at all.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    1. Play the game with uncontested scrums.

    2. File a match report describing situation.

    3. Do not get into conversations about what happens point wise. Leave that entirely in the hands of the competition organisers.

    4. Tell anyone who asks that it is not up to you.
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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Spot on answers. You need to know what happens regarding the avaiability of subs. Anything else pass the report over.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donk93953 View Post
    USA University level match.....Team Blue does not have sufficiently trained props.
    The props have one week of practice under their belts according to Team Blue coach.
    Coach of Team Blue asks for unopposed scrums under Law 3.
    Team Red claims under Law 3 its a forfeit because Team Blue doesn't have adequately trained players to play prop.
    Team Blue's concern appears to be safety.....Team Red wants to keep their number one standing.
    I as referee, felt safety was the concern and Law 3 (13) covered the issue.
    Hence, uncontested scrums and play on....no ordered forfeiture.
    Team Red's coach say they will play under protest.

    Your thoughts?
    You really should have understood the competition rules before leaving home that morning. Maybe Blue were supposed to play the whole game with 14 players. Red would reasonably expect the ref to know & enforce any competition rules.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    You really should have understood the competition rules before leaving home that morning. Maybe Blue were supposed to play the whole game with 14 players. Red would reasonably expect the ref to know & enforce any competition rules.

    Always worthwhile having your head honcho on speed dial.
    Not sure where you came up with 14 players, but that was not a consideration.
    They were full sides on the field....just no sufficiently trained props for Team Blue.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donk93953 View Post
    Not sure where you came up with 14 players, but that was not a consideration.
    They were full sides on the field....just no sufficiently trained props for Team Blue.
    Most (but not all) of the competitions I ref in, that is what happens .. if a team turns up unable to field a STE front row, they have to start the game with 14 players.

    What was the competition ? The regulatikns are most likely on line

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    In NZ, the game is forfeited, but there is a direction that the game should still be played.

    However the guidance I have always received in situations like this is to not get involved in discourse because it is a matter for the competition committee. Other countries may have different policies, but that is ours.
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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Here the ref needs to know about the regs that affect what happens on the pitch

    Does man off apply
    How many subs are allowed
    What is the sub system (interchange or replacement )
    Is there a maximum score differ
    Do teams have to match the numbers of players

    All the above the ref needs to know .
    And every single competition I ref in is different, often in a single competition the regs are different in different divisions

    What you DONT have to know is regs about leage penalties , forfeits, fines , player eligibility etc etc as none of that affects what happens actually on the pitch, so doesn't concern the ref
    Last edited by crossref; 07-10-18 at 07:10.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by damo View Post
    In NZ, the game is forfeited, but there is a direction that the game should still be played.
    If that is true, I think that is a very bad situation. It is forcing coaches to play unqualified players in front row to avoid a forfeit with dire safety risks.
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