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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    There was an RFU judgement a couple of years ago.

    A team had fielded the wrong number of subs, or may have used too many interchanges, cant remember exactly what the details were. I seem to remember one of the teams contested the result and blamed the ref for not following the regulations.

    However the RFU judgement was that it wasn't the referees job to ensure teams follows the regulations. Teams should know the regulations and stick to them. So the team was penalised and the referee was exonerated.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Which is reassuring. But obviously it's a lot happier for everyone if the ref does know the regs and allows the correct number of subs.

    In practice I think that while you can be excused for not knowing the regs when you turn up for what you were told was a friendly but turns out to actually be round 1 of the Localshire Vets Cup .. on the other hand I think if you turned up to ref a RFU league match ignorant as to whether man off applies, you would not be meeting reasonable expectations

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    There was an RFU judgement a couple of years ago.

    A team had fielded the wrong number of subs, or may have used too many interchanges, cant remember exactly what the details were. I seem to remember one of the teams contested the result and blamed the ref for not following the regulations.

    However the RFU judgement was that it wasn't the referees job to ensure teams follows the regulations. Teams should know the regulations and stick to them. So the team was penalised and the referee was exonerated.
    I agree with this. There are a couple of things you probably want to know about cup games as they may affect things at the time, eg man-off or whether there is extra time in a draw. All the other stuff about eligible players, squad sizes, complaints etc and Phil says is for the clubs to sort out. (They ought to know about extra time too, but it would be worth you as ref knowing this)

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    I think that you should know ..

    Does man off apply, both for games starting uncontested, and going uncontested

    How many subs are allowed

    Are there any regs about matching player numbers

    Is there a maximum scoreline allowed

    And then you are good to ref

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think that you should know ..

    Does man off apply, both for games starting uncontested, and going uncontested

    How many subs are allowed

    Are there any regs about matching player numbers

    Is there a maximum scoreline allowed

    And then you are good to ref
    All good stuff, but you also need to know what happens if it is a draw and it is a cup game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think that you should know ..

    Does man off apply, both for games starting uncontested, and going uncontested

    How many subs are allowed

    Are there any regs about matching player numbers

    Is there a maximum scoreline allowed

    And then you are good to ref
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    All good stuff, but you also need to know what happens if it is a draw and it is a cup game.
    The clubs should be able to tell you all this. You only have a problem if they disagree.

    I remember one case where a team wanted to play with 15 players despite the fact that the opponents only had 11. The regulations stated that a team could only have one player extra, but the referee insisted they could play with all 15. If only somebody had been able to produce a copy of the regulations ...
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    The clubs should be able to tell you all this. You only have a problem if they disagree.

    I remember one case where a team wanted to play with 15 players despite the fact that the opponents only had 11. The regulations stated that a team could only have one player extra, but the referee insisted they could play with all 15. If only somebody had been able to produce a copy of the regulations ...
    If only the referee had known the regulations

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Knowing about extra time if there is a draw is important as it is something that cannot be sorted afterwards, and teams may be economical with the truth (or genuinely not know) You need to know if it is extra time at all - won't be for u18 cups it will likely be away team goes through - and if so whether first score wins or you play out the 10 mins each way (and then what?). Most of the other things can be sorted out afterwards - if there is no et, then whether it is away team or most tries can usually be worked out by the competition committee.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Man off is similar
    If you force a team down to 14 when they shouldnt , or allow a team to play with 15 who shouldn't you have made a very big impact on the game
    I would class it as a critical law error myself.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    If only the referee had known the regulations
    Wrong!
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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