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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    thing is - you say there are no regulations - but it's that's the case then you can't just request roling subs and have well past eight. That would need to be covered by the regs... right? otherwise Law 3 applies
    but if its a forfeit, what does it matter?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    but if its a forfeit, what does it matter?
    But donk didn't know whether it was a forfeit or not. In fact no one seemed to know for sure.
    That's the whole point of the thread isn't it?

    a - there appear to be no written regs, or if there are no one can find them

    b - and even if there are regs on-line somewhere , donk doesn't know what they say

    c - and anyway (we all agree) even if the ref does think he knows the rules on forfeit - - it's not the ref's job and he's best advised to say nothing, ref the game according to the Laws and leave the forfeit for the committee to sort out.

    In the English Student Leagues (BUCS) by way of comaprison - in Tiers 1-3 it would be a forefeit, but in Tier 4 it's not a forfeit, you play the game.

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    Last edited by crossref; 08-10-18 at 20:10.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donk93953 View Post
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    I know some conferences where a forfeit is 48-0

    There is no way in God's Green Earth I'm asking one of my folks to make that decision.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But donk didn't know whether it was a forfeit or not. In fact no one seemed to know for sure.
    Red coach seemed pretty confident.

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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Red coach seemed pretty confident.
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    Not confident enough to get his team back on the bus and down to the pub to celebrate the forfeited game ..

    No doubt one of the red coaching team was on their phone trying to find the regulation, bit was unable to


    It seems like even now we don't know whether it was a forfeit or not.. I guess we could look through last week's results and see if there is a 7:32 scoreline recorded , or alternatively an AWO out there
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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    So Red's been forced to play then taken the piss by rolling unlimited subs all day?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    So Red's been forced to play then taken the piss by rolling unlimited subs all day?
    But perhaps the regulations allow that?
    Or perhaps Red were convinced (rightly or wrongly) that the game had been forfeited and they were just playing an unofficial friendly.. in which case why not

    Seeing as donk allowed this , seems like he has in faxt decided it was a forfeit and a friendly as well


    Unless you know the regs you can't know if it was ok or not

    It also brings us to another point .. as a referee you actually DO need to determine whether the game is forfeited or not, as this will affect how you referee.

    If the game was forfeited and they are playing just for fun you will allow unlimited interchanges and no man off. But if the game counts then regulations apply , so man off and limits on subs
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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I know some conferences where a forfeit is 48-0

    There is no way in God's Green Earth I'm asking one of my folks to make that decision.

    (I'm in the middle of a heated debate with USAR Referees about our responsibility with Admin issues that are Conference-related. I think they have a big file with my name on by now.)
    SS, I am with you on this.

    But I don't think the OP should have allowed any subs for blue if the did not have any FR replacements as a strict application of law 3. Quite often this is one that I waive with the agreement of the opposition in order to get a game played and allow all the blue players some game time and not have them feeling pressured to play on through injury.

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    I think the ref can't avoid making a decision .. because he has to decide whether the game that happens is played as a friendly, or under league conditions (this affects the approach to man off and subs). So like or not, you do end up making a call on that

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    Default Re: Law 3....hmmmm...I'll log a protest.

    Got my first County Cup appointment on Saturday, with different (well, actually has some full stop!) regs, am really enjoying this thread, not!

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