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    Ah, moved then, good, look forward so seeing full arm binds at the elite level this year then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Some refs penalise the following but I don't. Players joining a ruck by grabbing one of the standing legs of the oppositon and lifting it up so that the would-be jackaller falls to floor.? Its a very effective way to clear-out and works when the jackaller is much bigger than you.
    Is that OK or dangerous in your books ?
    It's not dangerous.
    It is illegal under 15.16.b
    Unless you can do it one handed it's also illegal under 15.7

    But yes, it's allowed

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    The definition of Binding you mentioned seem to be applicable to Laws 9 Foul Play and 19 Scrum. Nothing below mentions binding in rucks (or mauls for that matter).

    Law 9: Foul play
    A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.

    Law 19: Scrum
    All players’ binding is maintained for the duration of the scrum.

    Match official signals: Failure to bind
    One arm out-stretched as if binding. Other hand moves up and down arm to indicate the extent of a full bind.

    Law Application Guidelines
    Five key areas of refereeing
    Four calls and four actions: crouch means crouch, touch means touch, etc. Binding of props on body, not arm, of opponent. Hit straight and stay straight

    Law Application Guidelines
    IRB Maul Working Group Outcomes
    "Binding.

    Law Application Guidelines
    Charging into the ruck
    Players entering a ruck must do so in accordance with the Laws of the Game. Referees are reminded that appropriate binding is a requirement, and charging into a ruck is dangerous play and must be penalised as such. The video clips below all show examples of illegal charges into the ruck.




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    JOINING A RUCK


    An arriving player must be on their feet and join from behind their offside line.

    A player may join alongside but not in front of the hindmost player.

    A player must bind onto a team-mate or an opposition player. The bind must precede or be simultaneous with contact with any other part of the body.


    The definition of bind is in the definitions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    The definition of Binding you mentioned seem to be applicable to Laws 9 Foul Play and 19 Scrum. Nothing below mentions binding in rucks (or mauls for that matter).
    Law 15
    JOINING A RUCK
    7. A player must bind onto a team-mate or an opposition player. The bind must precede or
    be simultaneous with contact with any other part of the body.


    Law 16
    JOINING A MAUL
    7. Players joining a maul must:
    b. Bind on to the hindmost player in the maul.

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    I saw that, but in the definitions, when you click on Binding, it takes you to a page that I pasted above. The definition of that Binding seems to apply for scrums. For rucking it's mentioned merely in respect to charging into a ruck. "Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul."

    If one must use full arms to bind half the rucks I've seen in my games I've played have had incorrect binding. There's be about 30 pens a game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    I saw that, but in the definitions, when you click on Binding, it takes you to a page that I pasted above. The definition of that Binding seems to apply for scrums. For rucking it's mentioned merely in respect to charging into a ruck. "Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul."

    If one must use full arms to bind half the rucks I've seen in my games I've played have had incorrect binding. There's be about 30 pens a game.

    Indeed ... Many ruck laws are not enforced ..

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    Fair enough. If/when I start reffing I'll be sure to make sure I enforce those Laws. Thanks

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    A ruck is formed by contact over the ball. This caters for two players both going for the ball. Thereafter players joining the ruck must bind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    Fair enough. If/when I start reffing I'll be sure to make sure I enforce those Laws. Thanks
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