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    Bath wanting a replay because the final whistle was blown before the stadium clock said zero

    This could sort out who, exactly , measures time in professional rugby, and how is it done

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...oulouse-replay

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    Default Re: Time please

    who is responsible for time keeping... i am quite sure that the stadium clock was passed 80

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    The clock said 79;57 when the ball went into touch
    Watch the highlights on BT sport.
    , the commentators and the players questioned it at the time. Should have been a lineout to Bath close to Toulouse line

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    Bath have requested a replay
    From the highlight reel it certainly seems there were 3 or 4 seconds on the clock, however it is not clear if the TV clock is linked to the stadium clock. Nor if the referee’s watch is synchronized with either.
    Law 6 DUTIES OF THE REFEREE DURING A MATCH

    Within the playing enclosure:
    The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match.
    The referee must apply the laws of the game fairly in every match.

    The referee keeps the time.
    However, the match organiser may appoint a time-keeper who will signify the end of each half.

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    If the referee says the match is over, then it’s over. The first point of law doesn’t agree with the second. How do you expect anybody to review the decision on that basis?
    Synchronizing your watches before such matches, I don’t believe that happens.
    https://www.epcrugby.com/video/highl...by-v-toulouse/

    Bath ultimately lost a thrilling contest by two points when Freddie Burns made a colossal error in failing to score the match-winning try in the dying stages. Burns had started to celebrate the try early but was caught unawares by Maxime Médard before touching the ball down under the posts.
    For me the game was won and lost on Freddie Burns’ celebrating his “try” before he’d touched down. Control the elements you have control over; he could have touched down the ball the instant he entered the in-goal.
    He choose not to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Bath have requested a replay

    Bath ultimately lost a thrilling contest by two points when Freddie Burns made a colossal error in failing to score the match-winning try in the dying stages. Burns had started to celebrate the try early but was caught unawares by Maxime Médard before touching the ball down under the posts.
    For me the game was won and lost on Freddie Burns’ celebrating his “try” before he’d touched down. Control the elements you have control over; he could have touched down the ball the instant he entered the in-goal.
    He choose not to.
    Yes but they were also controlling the end of the game.. from the ruck they can see the clock, and they can see the space, they know that a well executed kick will give them the lineout as long as they can do it before time expires, they perform the kick, it's an excellent kick , it reaches touch at 79:57 , they are controlling what they can control

    And then the ref blows his whistle too early.

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    You are assuming that the TV clock is synchronized. It is wrong to assume.
    As all professional rugby players know, the result did not hang on that final decision. Bath need to go away and look at what they can fix. Conceding three tries to qualify opposition, for example. Had they been controlling the game in the dying stages, they would not have let things go to the wire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    You are assuming that the TV clock is synchronized. It is wrong to assume.
    As all professional rugby players know, the result did not hang on that final decision. Bath need to go away and look at what they can fix. Conceding three tries to qualify opposition, for example. Had they been controlling the game in the dying stages, they would not have let things go to the wire.
    The TV clock IS synchronized with the stadium clock (this is one of those rugbyrefs.com myths, see Phil Es post on this a little while ago explaining how it works at Leicester... and anyway, why would you have two separate people stopping and starting two separate clocks, when TV and stadium can simply use the same one)

    Anyway watch the highlights TV clock says 79:57 and it's clear all the players can see the same information on the stadium clock

    I don't understand your view that these mistakes do tmatter .. the normal assessing term for it is a critical error, isn't it?
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    Assuming things are done the same as at Welford road, then I accept your point.

    However! Toulouse pinched the ball at the last breakdown, and then the replacement Red23 made a right *hames of the pass back. Intended for the Red 14 to subsequently kick to touch and end the game. Only the ball did not go to hand and ended up in touch. Clutching at straws, to suggest that was planned by Bath.

    * Please note regional variation on word meaning:
    In Ireland, hames has been repurposed in the informal idiom make a hames of, meaning make a mess or a hash of. It implies the mess has resulted from carelessness, clumsiness, or ineptitude: a sports player who misses an easy opportunity, can be said to have made a hames of it.
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    Ok I couldn't see the ending properly on highlights

    But the point is , the official time is what's on the clock so the referee is wrong to blow his whistle..

    Or is he? Will TPTB declare that he is entitled to overrule the stadium clock ? And if so, on what basis , he is not stopping and starting time on his own clck

    If the latter, it makes life unpredictable for the olayers

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    Attwood, Blue4 had the ball striped from his grasp by the tackle support with 19seconds remaining on the clock. So a comedy of errors from Bath in the final stages of the game.
    This is not the first TV match to be ended by the match referee with seconds remaining on the official clock.
    So I fail to see why it should be the first TV match to be replayed because of such a mistake. Instead of making an issue of a slip from the match referee, Bath rugby would do well to learn from their own numerous mistakes.

    Most professional player know that games are won and lost long before the final whistle. If the truth be known, most games are won on the training paddock during the week leading up to the game. With one team training well together, while the other has issues that prevent the team clicking. Most professional player too realise that the match referee is only human and can make mistakes, it’s called the rub of the green. Some decisions go your way, some will predictably go against you. Shame on the professional team that gets themselves in such a position to be relying on the rub of the green in the dying seconds of the game.
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