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    Default Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    I was told at a society regional meeting that we have new guidance this season that at level 5 and below that all scrums must now be 8 v 8 players.
    So when a team loses a forward ( not a FR ) due to a yellow-card, they must supply one of the backs into the scrum to make the numners even.
    At the time, I was told that this was to bring the lower-levels more into line with the U19 variation as there was a safety issue with unbalanced scrums.

    However, I can't find any guidance or reference to this in writing. Indeed , I can only find the opposite in the laws which state that we should allow 8 v 7 !

    My question is
    (a) Has anyone else heard of this guidance this season
    (b) If so, is there anything in writing.

    I'm starting to get the feeling that I was misinformed.

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    Only if uncontested, otherwise it can be a mismatch (assuming adult regs), unless i’ve missed something too?

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    We had an Urban Myths thread some time ago ...
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    we've certainly discussed this scenario before... and as was pointed out back then this is stupid as it doesn;t appear to consider shortedned sided matches.

    * game of 12 v 12 (probably lower team not full sides available), blue v red
    * scrum 5 v 5

    Then under this alleged regulation, blue 2nd row gets a YC

    * scrums now 8 v 8
    * leaving backlines of 4 for red and 3 for blue


    Including the scrum halves. So away from the scrum is 3 red v 2 blue.

    Could you please contact your society regional manager/chair/secretary/whoever and ask them for advice in this scenario? I'd LOVE to hear their response!

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    didds our Society did give guidance on this , and said we should use common sense .
    If teams are short and have been packing down all game with less than eight then the starting point when going uncontested is to keep scrum numbers the same as what they were when they were contested

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    eminbently sensible. Is CTPE in the same society incidentally - Is LSRFUR (you) the same as "London Society" (CTPE) ? If so he clearly didn't get the memo!

    But of course if that isn't spelled out, and blanket "8 v 8" regs are issued some ref somewhere, at sometime, will end up with the scenario I outlined. Bless their little cotton socks.

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    Worse - unless they fixed it, the 8v8 was included in the 10 and 7s variants.
    Though I have yet to see an uncontested scrum in 7s.

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    eminbently sensible. Is CTPE in the same society incidentally - Is LSRFUR (you) the same as "London Society" (CTPE) ? If so he clearly didn't get the memo!

    But of course if that isn't spelled out, and blanket "8 v 8" regs are issued some ref somewhere, at sometime, will end up with the scenario I outlined. Bless their little cotton socks.

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    I haven't seen a memo, but there has been discussion at meetings and on Facebook to that effect. .. who knows what proportion of London refs that has reached .

    Societies are put in a difficult position I think, it would be problematic to distribute written instructions that contradict the Law Book...

    In practice games with less than 15 players are lower level merit table games, and this situation won't be the only one where common sense is needed. I think most refs would apply it
    Last edited by crossref; 29-10-18 at 12:10.

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    "most" being the operative word ;-)

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    Default Re: Season 2018-19 - New guidance is scrums must have 8 v 8 even after yellow card

    On the other hand, if there was an assessor watching, whom you didn't know , there would be a massive pressure on your mind to shrug your shoulders and follow the Law Book.

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