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    Default gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Reds play Blue.
    Red ball carrier is "choked tackled". Red players join in drive him forward. Ref shouts "Maul".
    Maul goes down legally and ball is almost playable. A blue player who is on the deck would just mode his hand which is the only thing on the ball. Blue player doesn't want to move his hand as he wants the ball deemed unplayable and get the turnover.

    Scrum half looks at the ball and really wants that ball.

    Should the ref:
    1. Blow the whistle as ball is not deemed fully playable and give the turnover
    2. Tell the Blue player to move his hand and let the ball be played.
    3. Something else.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Hi breako ! Assuming your typo was "choke-tackled". The blue player ( on hearing the Maul call ) doesnt have to release the ball or the ball-carrier when it goes to ground.
    So the answer is (1)

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    But then there will be a mess. The Scrum Half will be trying to rip the ball up and there's a Blue hand on it.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by breako View Post
    But then there will be a mess. The Scrum Half will be trying to rip the ball up and there's a Blue hand on it.
    And that's OK, as long as he is not doing something else to the blue player, like stamping on his hand.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by breako View Post
    But then there will be a mess. The Scrum Half will be trying to rip the ball up and there's a Blue hand on it.
    All the more reason to blow it early before the mess develops.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    And that's OK, as long as he is not doing something else to the blue player, like stamping on his hand.
    The blue player will try to stop the Red SH doing this in which case he is playing the ball on the ground.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    If the Blue player was part of the maul that collapsed he doesn't have to release/ remove his hand from the ball.
    If the ball is not available immediately then turn over scrum.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    However, once Blue is off their feet, they cannot then move to block the ball that was previously available.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by breako View Post
    The blue player will try to stop the Red SH doing this in which case he is playing the ball on the ground.
    nope. Assuming the blue player had his hand on the ball before the maul collapsed, he does not have to release it. It is a collapsed, unplayable maul. He is not playing the ball on the ground.

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    Default Re: gamesmanship in the chock tackle

    Well if the SH is trying to pick it up and then the Blue player starts applying more force, trying to get a tighter grip etc you could say leave it blue (this is what I meant by gamesmanship) or you could also blow it immediately and award turnover since the ball wasn't made available immediately

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