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    Default Materiality .. The knock on

    In rugby there is one offence that is ALWAYS considered material .. the knock on. No matter how small or how far away from the action it happens , we always blow our whistle

    We take it for granted so much we don't even notice

    QU what would he the impact on the game if WR ruled that immaterial knock on, where the team knocking on gained no advantage from it, should be ignored , play on

    We'd have fewer scrums

    Woukd we also have a faster, more fluid, more exciting game ?

    Or would it be TEOTWAWKT ?

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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    Er.. Must be slow here but isnt that the case now ?
    If the team knocking on didnt gain an advantage then we ( at some point fairly quickly ) say "Advantage Over for the Knock on!". ?

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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    No the opposite I am saying

    Blue knock it on , but it's immaterial knock on , and blue gain no advantage from it .. play on

    For instance blue 15 miles from anyone fumbles a catch, blue 9 fumbles a pick up .. why do we stop the game

    Blue are 5cm offside, but gain no advantage we ignore it
    Blue knock on 5cm and gain no advantage , we penalise it

    It's odd, when you think about it
    Last edited by crossref; 1 Week Ago at 18:11.

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    It’s exactly how you play and coach the game under the NROP in RFU land, pretty much the first line states that if not material (doesn’t disadvantage the opposition) then play on, so if some kid knocks on in open play and no oppos around it’s play on, lots of positive game play and lots of tries. Of course as the kids get older we’re stricter and stricter (although I think technically the same directive is there for all age grade NROP) till we get to where we are with Adults

    The challenge of course is judging materiality as always, someone will always disagree with you, and I’ve no doubt some smart ass will find a way of ‘accidentally’ knocking on to their advantage!

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    Exactly so .. so what would be the impact of playing adult rugby like that ...

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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    Faster (not always a good thing, see my Vets games!), more ball in play, a lot less scrums, which in turn may lessen the need for some aspects of forwards skillsets. Of course if we apply this to knock ons, why not forward passes too, those are even less material, a pass that’s gone slightly forward is probably putting the ball closer to the defender thus easier to intercept.

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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    to go a step further. I used to ref with a chap who held the hypothetical view that a knock on was its own punishment so play on in all situations.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    why not forward passes too, those are even less material, a pass that’s gone slightly forward is probably putting the ball closer to the defender thus easier to intercept.
    it would be too difficult to gauge the slightly forward pass from the Tom Brady pass
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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    Because some things are integral to rugby, and not propelling the ball forwards by hand is one of them.

    It's also a black and white line, unlike much of the game.
    How far away should the opposition be for it to be immaterial and play on? How about that porr full back who runs to collect it and knocks it and then in Keystone Kops stylee knocks it again - and again, all while the opposition are 40 yards away. Still play on?

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    Default Re: Materiality .. The knock on

    Because it started as a ball-handling skill sport?
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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