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    Can someone to point me to what I understand as through the gate in law? I know it as I understand it but failing to find in in law, I only see ‘direction of their goal line’ for tackle combined with possible offside lines, and alongside the hindmost player as an addition for rucks.

    Is this it? As the goal line is very wide
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    Default Re: ‘Through the gate’

    There was quite a change in the wording of this Law from the 2017 to 2018 Law books

    2017 15.6.d At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the
    ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal
    line.



    2018 14.8 Other players must:
    c) Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.


    You are correct to observe that the 2018 wording is much softer ...

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    Yeah, that was what I was reading (trying to determine if any difference in approach to a ruck vs tackle only with offside lines) and it didn’t seem ‘enough’ .

    I’ve since found this thread (which didn’t help really!) http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....light=The+gate

    Shall carry on doing it the old, expected way for now I think

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    Default Re: ‘Through the gate’

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    There was quite a change in the wording of this Law from the 2017 to 2018 Law books

    2017 15.6.d At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the
    ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal
    line.



    2018 14.8 Other players must:
    c) Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball.


    You are correct to observe that the 2018 wording is much softer ...
    Well, the game is getting softer. So referees are suggesting apologies. "I'm sorry I came in from the side"

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Yeah, that was what I was reading (trying to determine if any difference in approach to a ruck vs tackle only with offside lines) and it didn’t seem ‘enough’ .

    I’ve since found this thread (which didn’t help really!) http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread....light=The+gate

    Shall carry on doing it the old, expected way for now I think
    That is best advice available. Try looking up the "gate" in the definitions. It is between gaff and goofy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post

    Shall carry on doing it the old, expected way for now I think
    I think that will be the case for most refs.

    But gradually, over time, the proportion of refs who remember the old laws ( or who ever even read the old laws at all) will diminish and I imagine the new Law Book will eventually prevail.

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    That’s fine, as long as we get proper guidance / example material to show how it needs to be then that can get filtered down, will then, i’ll mostly be confused ��

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    Default Re: ‘Through the gate’

    I don't think that there's reason for confusion here. Continue to ref with that picture of the gate in your head. It just isn't spelled out becuase of the 'simplification' of the language for 2018.

    If there is an offside line and an instruction to "Arrive at the tackle from the direction of their own goal line before playing the ball" then I don't see a player can legally arrive in any other way than through what we know as the gate.

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    I guess that takes us round in a circle , as we try and define what we know as the gate, and is it any different from "from the direction of your own goal one " which was the question in the op

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    Is this image helpful? Clear offside lines either side of a ruck (or tackle). 5 positions from which a player might join. All of which would be moving from the direction of their own goal line. But E is going to step offside before they reach the ruck. He or she could easily follow the same trajectory as A and be entirely legal. I've drawn the verticals that the gate concept represents. For me this illustrates that once you have defined the offside lines and the the required direction of travel you don't need to go on to describe the gate because any legal joining will have gone through that space anyway.

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    Default Re: ‘Through the gate’

    Great diagram . . I like it

    But where do the verticals really come from ?
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