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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So like, you leave the ball where it is, and advance forward, pushing the oppo offside line back... With more players joining at the back to make sure the ball doesn't become exposed

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    yes very interesting CR

    Which is kinda how Lawes got caught!

    The offside line was established & several england players [including CL] players lined up 'onside' then just as the ball was about to be picked up by NZ9 the NZ player at the front of the ruck took a stride forward and in that split instant made Lawes 'technically offside'

    Hmmnn.... Conceptually a team could add x4 players onto the tail of the original player/s parked over the ball , and then trundle forward 4metres to mean the front man shifts the offiside line 4m further upfield - just before the ball is lifted, and insodoing render all defensive linemen 'technically' offiside.

    I'm not saying the NZAB contrived the CL offside in that way, [but they've a deserved reputation for being creatively cute so who knows ) but IMO once the defence arent contesting at the front of the ruck then the frontman cant be allowed to reposition the offisde by merely walking forwards.

    Mauls are significantly different as the BC is on his feet & Maul can therefore be expected to move, but Rucks require the Ball to be on the ground [ish!] so by definition the Ruck isn't supposed to be advancing upfield

    WR have another issue to resolve IMHO. Mr Monoruck creator & his tail joining mates v offside line movement & rdefence.

    FWIW the TMO was 'technically' correct, but it's such a harsh harsh interpretation & some form of materiality & context needed to be applied.
    Last edited by VM75; 12-11-18 at 21:11.

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    First, as previously stated, the tackled player needs to get out of the way else this discussion is moot.

    As the ball is not "kicked out of the ruck" then the dribble forward at a tackle must surely be legal.

    That might be a good tactic as the ops would then have to commit players to stop it and so reduce any number advantage.

    Great question!

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    As soon as you dribble away from the tackle area you're in open play and most likely offside.

    What I'd not considered: now kicking out of the ruck is illegal, dribbling in a ruck carries the risk of a penalty against for a minor mistake, rather than just ruck over and open play. Probably not worth it.

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    Does every 9 repositioning the ball with his foot risk a PK ?

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    No, because that's usually hooking/using the sole and keeping it in the ruck. If they kick it forwards and out, then yes. If they kick it forwards and back into a ruck, it's a FK.

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    As soon as you dribble away from the tackle area you're in open play and most likely offside.

    What I'd not considered: now kicking out of the ruck is illegal, dribbling in a ruck carries the risk of a penalty against for a minor mistake, rather than just ruck over and open play. Probably not worth it.
    hmmm. but is dribbling a ball that squirts out of the ruck actually kicking it out of the ruck? what is the INTENTION of that law versus the INTENTION of the dribbler?

    If the sole or heel of the boot was used (contortionist!) - that isn't a kick - is it? (see kick definitions elsewhere - is that shoe horning a law from one place into another?)

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    The sevens scrum law states you can't kick the ball through the scrum, does that mean you aren't allowed to have a driving scrum in sevens? I don't think I've ever seen one but I feel that has more to do with the difficulty of the front 3 keeping it in and driving than law. So if a sevens scrum can drive forward, why can't a ruck? I've heard the ruck called a loose or natural scrum.

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    THe law of unintended consequence.

    Rucks (theoretically) involve people on their feet. The interpretation has move to describe a Pile-Up as a ruck. As a result a ruck no longer is a dynamic contest for the ball. With more bodies on the floor than on their feet the idea of players being able to safely use their feet in a ruck has become a nonsense. Law 15.15 is not followed at all (once "ruck" is called).

    There is, of course, no legal prevention to dribbling ( kicking a ball in a ruck) only to kicking it out of the ruck. There is no reason to dribble the ball any more, due to the pile up on the floor.

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    Default Re: Advancing Ruck Line

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Does every 9 repositioning the ball with his foot risk a PK ?
    The many TV 9s that stand metres in front of the hindmost foot whilst they roll it backwards should be pk'd!

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