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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    Perhaps they should change the name of the offence : a reckless knock forward , or something


    Le Roux surely thought he had a realistic chance of catching it.

    I think we need to see the video now ..
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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's one of those ones where the referee is correctly following ill thought through and over-prescriptive WR guideline

    WR are intent on eliminating judgement in favour of predicability
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    WR guidance is no longer about whether it was intentional or not . They don't care. It about whether one hand or two was used
    CR, you've put it in a nutshell. This is why I say "harsh but fair" - with a question mark - because he clearly didn't *intend* to knock it on, so it's seemingly "harsh", but given the WR guidance the YC is consistent, and therefore "fair", not in the global sense of "equitable", but in the sense that these days the same offence will generally result in the same outcome.

    One further thought. I'm old enough to remember the days when a defender could prevent a probable try by knocking on with little chance of interception, and it was hard for refs to call it as intentional (how would you know?) which seemed outrageous. The new law/guidance that a failed one-handed attempt would land your side a PK minimum was a very welcome change.

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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    I actually think the 'realistic chance' wording is fine .. and that is how I ref it. But I don't think that aligns to the guidance given to pro refs

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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    He stuck his hand out and only got his fingertips to it.
    The referee said that there was no realistic chance of intercepting the ball. Hence the penalty, and it stopped a pass that may have broken through, hence the yellow.
    I thought it was a 50/50 ball that could have gone either way.

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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    that's fair enough Phil, and thanks all fo0r the explanation.

    which is fine until one day somebody DOES just get a fingertip to it, but does get hold of the ball subsequently, and scores.

    Now who is to say that there is no chance etc...


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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    I think it gets worse....if you were bothered to watch Aus vd Italy (and why would you....it was a dire game)...Guazere had 2 and couldn't be consistent. Both deserved YC as they were not realistic positions...only 1 received YC.

    The one by Read (while off his feet!) in Ire vs NZ was a lay down misere cynical knock down YC and only received a PK.

    The WR clarification has made it more unclear than ever!!
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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    My main issue with this is not whether it was a deliberate knock on, but why that would automatically lead to a yellow card. I know it could be described as cynical play, but so could half the offences that occur in a game and you would get roundly criticised by all if you end up 10 v 11 for YC all these deliberate infringements.

    FWIW I though this was not a genuine attempt to catch the ball, one handed at a stretch with little genuine prospect of catching. I'd have given a penalty but no YC.

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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    Found a video of the incident, complete with musings of BBC commentators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_XaVXQEwc

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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    For me I thought it was harsh that he was YC. I can fully understand a penalty, though, as he did knock the ball forward and not in the act of trying to catch it, it seemed on the replay. He knocked it forward in the hope of subsequently catching it, and that is different and is not what is contemplated in the law.

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    Default Re: Willie Le Roux sin-binning for deliberate knock-on

    you could well argue that it was quite an intentional act given how long the ball was in the air. That he made no attempt to follow through with completing the interception once he touched it, he did himself no favours and a YC is quite understandable. Not harsh in my view.

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