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    Default ARs and scrums

    is there a standard position for the 2 ARs at scrum time? I have a view, but interested in what others think/do.
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    Default Re: ARs and scrums

    One oposite the referee watching the the props . The other should mark the defensive 5.

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    Default Re: ARs and scrums

    Middle of the field - go right.
    Close to the 15 - I'm infield, AR is on the tunnel, distant AR is defensive 5m.
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    Default Re: ARs and scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    One oposite the referee watching the the props . The other should mark the defensive 5.
    that's how I see it. I can't see the point in an AR marking the attacking 5 metre line.

    Only time I'd do differently may be at a defending 5 metre scrum close to the touch line. There is more likley to be a critical incident in-goal that the ref may need support on.
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    First and foremost it's whatever the referee wants from you and what assistance he delegates to you. That will dictate positioning.

    As an AR I hold the referee responsible to brief me in what they want from me (and what they dont want). Some referees want to own the entire scrum responsibility. If they give me nothing then I use the classic lead and lag approach. Ie near side then lagging on the attacking 5m o/s and farside leading on the defensive o/s line.

    As a referee - there's some ARs I trust more than others for input. If I trust them for scrum offence calls then if scrum near side they perpendicular/adjacent to tunnel (if im in field) and far side leading on defensive side o/s.
    Mind you AR adjacent to tunnel is only useful if there is radio comms to feed you info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    that's how I see it. I can't see the point in an AR marking the attacking 5 metre line.

    Only time I'd do differently may be at a defending 5 metre scrum close to the touch line. There is more likley to be a critical incident in-goal that the ref may need support on.
    Unless they have comms there's no point having them at the tunnel..they may as well be at the 5m line keeping the *******s honest then lagging for foul play in the scrum break up as the ball has moved away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    Unless they have comms there's no point having them at the tunnel...
    it is not uncommon for the ref to ask the AR at next stoppage (eg lineout) if there are any problems with binding etc. I'd hate to be the one to say "sorry, you didn't ask me to look for that so I've been counting butterflies".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    it is not uncommon for the ref to ask the AR at next stoppage (eg lineout) if there are any problems with binding etc. I'd hate to be the one to say "sorry, you didn't ask me to look for that so I've been counting butterflies".
    Difference of approach I guess. I can still see the side of the scrum at the 5m offside just the same as I can see it adjacent to the tunnel. I'm usually at the tunnel cause the ref wants me there and it's for a purpose to be there that I can help real time. In reality it probably either position doesnt really make that big of a difference.
    Using my trusty trigonometry the angle of viewing only changes between 7 to 9 degrees and changes the viewing distance differnce of up to 2m....so hardly major. Tom-arto /Tom-ayto.

    (But butterflies are pretty and deserve our attention too)
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    Default Re: ARs and scrums

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    that's how I see it. I can't see the point in an AR marking the attacking 5 metre line.

    there are two ARs/TJs/blokes with a hanky and a dog.

    why wouldn;t one mark the defnsive 5m, and the other the attacking - with the AR/TJ/BWAHAAD on the side of the pitch most likely to be kicked to marking the defensive ie upfield 5m ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    there are two ARs/TJs/blokes with a hanky and a dog.

    why wouldn;t one mark the defnsive 5m, and the other the attacking -
    for the same reason nobody marks the attacking 10m at a lineout. Pointless.
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