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    Default Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Red are attacking around blue's 22. A line-break by the Red 12 is well covered by both a the blue 15 and 11. However, Blue 11 high-tackles him, about 10 metres from goal-line. Ball spills forward so no advantage. I blow for a PK and yellow-card Blue 11. I think for a second about a Penalty Try. It was reckless (perhaps even deliberate ) and contact was round the neck but wthout much force.
    There was a covering defender so I think "no Pen Try"

    However, as I yellow-card him, he looks at me and says "You are joking ! It wasnt deliberate !". Then, he's bent over, hands on knees and says "F*ck off!". Now , at the time, and considering his previous statement, I took this as abuse towards me so I , calmly, asked for his skipper and expained what he'd said and I issued a red-card. No real issues at the time but the coach was pretty upset after the game, and said something along the lines of "He wasnt directing it at you ! He was shouting it at himself and at the ground for being so stupid. So no way was that a red-card !".

    Was I too hasty ?
    My view was and still is that , he took a risk of a ref misinterpretting his frustration.

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    I think you were quite right -- but judging from stories that I have been hearing recently : be prepared for the disciplinary tribunal to accept this defence and let him off

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Possibly a 2nd yellow might have been the prudent approach!

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Possibly a 2nd yellow might have been the prudent approach!
    but that is still a red ?
    or was that a joke.

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Nope not joking.
    Might be hard to 'justify' a straight red for swearing (possibly) at the referee while a 2nd yellow is easily 'justified' and achieves the same outcome!

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Guess my question is - Does a player have to be looking at me whilst swearing for me to determine if the abuse is against me or against himself ?

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Absolutely not....but I suppose it does make it easier.

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    Guess my question is - Does a player have to be looking at me whilst swearing for me to determine if the abuse is against me or against himself ?
    no, otherwise they could easily look at the ground while swearing at you and expect to get off scot free

    ah, hang on ...

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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Possibly a 2nd yellow might have been the prudent approach!
    Why???? Swearing at the Referee is never acceptable and in my opinion, worthy of a red card. In my eyes it is in the same Bracket as MOA & requires dealing with in the most robust manner
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    Default Re: Swearing at ref = red-card. Right or harsh ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard smith View Post
    Why???? Swearing at the Referee is never acceptable and in my opinion, worthy of a red card. In my eyes it is in the same Bracket as MOA & requires dealing with in the most robust manner
    100% agree with you..... I got the impression from the OP that the ref in this instance was not entirely sure if the abuse was directed at him and I was simply offering an alternative way of achieving the required outcome in circumstances where the referee was uncertain.

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