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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    This is scenario 2 as mentioned in post 31 and replied to by DickieE. r.
    No.. and its important difference.. was there actually a throw , or not

    There are two key questions

    1 does the thrower actually have to throw it, at the blocker, for the blocker to be penalised ? Or will you penalise the blocker when he is successful in preventing even the atrempt at a throw (tjr thrower gives up)

    2 when yii do sanctiin, which is better a FK or a PK

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No.. and its important difference.. was there actually a throw , or not

    There are two key questions

    1 does the thrower actually have to throw it, at the blocker, for the blocker to be penalised ? Or will you penalise the blocker when he is successful in preventing even the atrempt at a throw (tjr thrower gives up)

    2 when yii do sanctiin, which is better a FK or a PK
    For me there is a bit more of a need to read the game. Preventing the throw is a PK offence, so as I said standing in front of the thrower like a goalie and I am going to PK whether the ball is thrown or not. If a player is in the 5 heading to the lineout and the ball is thrown, then if it hits him I am thinking FK, but I may also play advantage. It may even not be material assuming that the ball gets to a thrower's team mate and they play on.

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    Just a couple of things to consider.

    Drew Mitchel received a YC from Craig Joubert in a test match for handling a ball that was in touch expressly to prevent a QTI and

    Someone raised the point about a thrower (QTI) throwing the ball towards a player in the tramlines even though he had no team mates to throw the ball to. He doesn't need a team mate to be in a position to catch the ball. He can throw the ball to himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    Just a couple of things to consider.

    Drew Mitchel received a YC from Craig Joubert in a test match for handling a ball that was in touch expressly to prevent a QTI and

    Someone raised the point about a thrower (QTI) throwing the ball towards a player in the tramlines even though he had no team mates to throw the ball to. He doesn't need a team mate to be in a position to catch the ball. He can throw the ball to himself.
    Wasn't that in fact his second yellow?
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    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Wasn't that in fact his second yellow?
    You may be correct. The words "I'm not responsible for what happens next" come to mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    Just a couple of things to consider.

    Drew Mitchel received a YC from Craig Joubert in a test match for handling a ball that was in touch expressly to prevent a QTI
    I had to speak to a spectator for doing this last weekend. Reached over the barrier and touched his hand on top of the ball just as the player went to pick it up. Quietly told him if he did it again he would have to watch the rest of the game from inside the clubhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Is the defender entitled to be inside the 5m area? No.
    Is he there accidentally? No.

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      • Intentionally infringe any law of the game.[...]Sanction: Penalty.



    This happened in a L6 game I was assessing a few years back. We discussed it because of the arguments I had seen from others and he was surprised to learn that anybody would have decided differently. I noted this "correct decision" in his report and the SMODO did not demur.
    If you use this logic, every squint scrum feed would be a penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    If you use this logic, every squint scrum feed would be a penalty.
    That shows the folly of trying to be too logical.

    I don't think I would mind if deliberate squint feeds led to PKs (though the solution might turn out to be worse than the disease).

    Generally speaking crooked throw-ins at lineouts are not considered to be deliberate, so you need evidence of intention.

    The player I referred to is clearly acting illegally and intentionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    That shows the folly of trying to be too logical.

    I don't think I would mind if deliberate squint feeds led to PKs (though the solution might turn out to be worse than the disease).

    Generally speaking crooked throw-ins at lineouts are not considered to be deliberate, so you need evidence of intention.

    The player I referred to is clearly acting illegally and intentionally.
    If a crooked line out is not deliberate, how come 95% favournthe throwing in team?

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