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    Default Re: QTI scenario

    Camquin , no Law covers it, but that one seems closest to the situation .. he's not really preventing the ball going 5m he is preventing the throw itself

    For me, this isn't a "manage it" offence .. it's a material and deliberate offence .. so think about a PK first time.
    Last edited by crossref; 05-12-18 at 08:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    That law doesn't really fit, it's about what happens when the throw is taken

    I think this one is closer .. this is about preventing a throw from being taken at all
    . A player who carries the ball into touch must release the ball immediately so that a quick throw may be taken. Sanction: Penalty.
    I'm not sure how that covers a non ball carrier that hasn't been physically immediate to the ball standing in the 5m channel blocking a QTI though?

    Just let people throw the ball forceably into the blockers guts/face. And PK the blocker. They won't do it again in a hurry. Ditto lazy runners.

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    That's encouraging a flash point, though.
    Refs job is to avoid flashpoints ... PK are good for that

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    If it IS a PK ( intentionally infringing ) then where is the mark for it ? The ball is out of play so is it on the 15m line presumably ?

    Just read the law book and answered my own question:

    While the ball is dead.
    At the point where play would have restarted or, if that place is on the touchline or within 15 metres of it, the mark is on the 15-metre line, in line with that place.

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    Default Re: QTI scenario

    Just let people throw the ball forceably into the blockers guts/face. And PK the blocker. They won't do it again in a hurry. Ditto lazy runners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    And if I was a ref (which thankfully i am not sir ;-) I may consider your act at least contrary to etc, and maybe even the same as a punch.

    Not a very clever idea I might suggest. It is at the very least a provocative act, and assault.

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    i think the intervening 14 years has seen me get less accepting of idiots.

    I do "get" that what others say above and what I said back then is of course the case. its just tedious.

    Just award a PT then and card any protests from the blocking side. That'll learn 'em.

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    Default Re: QTI scenario

    I'd give the FK - a player is stopping the ball going 5m. If it happens a second time, PK for intentional offending.

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    Os oft mentioned by me, aside from the award maybe being deep in the oppo 22m frankly a FK is a "win" from the blocking team's perspective. Cghance of QTI and dynamic play halted, now we get a good chance to reset defences etc. UNLESS the BC manages to race infield and tap and go - but its still lost time for defences to be getting back and into place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    I'd give the FK - a player is stopping the ball going 5m. If it happens a second time, PK for intentional offending.
    But he didn't just stop the ball from going 5m , he stopped the QTI completely.

    A FK is a very soft punishment for that. A ball carrier who merely delays a QTI by hanging on to the ball for a short while will get a PK (and sometimes YC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    But he didn't just stop the ball from going 5m , he stopped the QTI completely.
    How do you get that the throw was prevented? OP says the throw was blocked to prevent going 5 metres. In the end the player throws the ball into the opponent.

    What do you think of scenarios where the throwing in team have a player collect the ball, so a QTI is on, but an oppo stands in front to them blocking the QTI. In reality, there is no-one to pass to or opposition players are already covering so there is not really a QTI option but the player throws the ball into his opponent to try and gain the sanction.
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