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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    How do you get that the throw was prevented? OP says the throw was blocked to prevent going 5 metres. In the end the player throws the ball into the opponent.
    I think there are 2 different scenarios being visualised here....

    Scenario 1. Player in touch with ball in hand looking at options for QTI. Defender, also in touch, blocks/prevents throw.
    Scenario 2. Player in touch with ball in hand looking at options for QTI. Defender in 5m channel blocks/prevents throw.

    Either one could be the scenario referred to in the OP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    I think there are 2 different scenarios being visualised here....

    Scenario 1. Player in touch with ball in hand looking at options for QTI. Defender, also in touch, blocks/prevents throw.
    Scenario 2. Player in touch with ball in hand looking at options for QTI. Defender in 5m channel blocks/prevents throw.

    Either one could be the scenario referred to in the OP!
    I don't see it that way.

    Yes, there are 2 scenarios but they are:
    1. opponent PREVENTS throw (eg wraps arms around thrower) - PK
    2. opponent BLOCKS throw (ie makes intentional or reckless contact with the ball after it is thrown) - FK (unless you want to play the "deliberate infringing" card)

    To me, the OP is fairly clearly scenario 2
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    What about the scenario where the opponent stands 1m away making the throw impossible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I don't see it that way.

    Yes, there are 2 scenarios but they are:
    1. opponent PREVENTS throw (eg wraps arms around thrower) - PK
    2. opponent BLOCKS throw (ie makes intentional or reckless contact with the ball after it is thrown) - FK (unless you want to play the "deliberate infringing" card)

    To me, the OP is fairly clearly scenario 2
    In your #2, how can it be anything other deliberate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    In your #2, how can it be anything other deliberate?
    You could say the same about a squint feed at the scrum. PK every time?

    The offence isn't described as something that accidentally happens; some intention is required anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    What about the scenario where the opponent stands 1m away making the throw impossible
    remember that scale you developed:

    Level 1: simple discussion for entry level refs
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    Level 5: esoteric, angels-on-pin-head stuff

    I think we're at Level 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    remember that scale you developed:

    Level 1: simple discussion for entry level refs
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    Level 5: esoteric, angels-on-pin-head stuff

    I think we're at Level 6
    Really ?
    I thiught that was what the discussion was all about !

    Zebra in post 9
    What do you think of scenarios where the throwing in team have a player collect the ball, so a QTI is on, but an oppo stands in front to them blocking the QTI.
    That's what I was talking abiut anyway .. and my answer is PK

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    Is the defender entitled to be inside the 5m area? No.
    Is he there accidentally? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    What about the scenario where the opponent stands 1m away making the throw impossible
    This is scenario 2 as mentioned in post 31 and replied to by DickieE.

    In response to the challenge to DickieE of why not always a PK as deliberate, there needs to be a bit more context about this. A defender might be jogging or walking in the tramlines past the player with the ball heading for the LOT to be ready to be in the lineout. Indeed if he were the hooke, he would eventually be expected to be in the tramlines, so I do not think there is anything that says he has no right to be there. Now if he happens to be hit by a QTI, then I would FK. If he stands like a goalie (wendyball) at a PK - arms up and waving, then i would PK. There is probably a spectrum, but I would not allow a team to get a penalty by throwing the ball at an opposition player.

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